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Bigt
05-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Last night, and... Well many nights before, the jokes would begin, "Did you bring your plate this time T? Or are you in your paper like always?" Id laughs it off... as best I could, but after the millionth time, it gets tiring. PaperT has been my guild nick name for ... way to long.

Our guild has done full clear of all pre-Uldar content. The amount of gear sitting in my bags in... endless. If you think any item might be better, then mention it, and there’s a chance I already have it. Normally, I’m an OT, but when the need calls, I’m the MT, and our Pali tank does the adds, or what not, you all know how it goes.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Bigt&gn=Celestial+Reign (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Bigt&gn=Celestial+Reign)
*Updated to my AV/EH set.

It’s always something, I die, I’m wearing paper, dps catch’s me, I’m not pushing enough buttons, my rage bars full, I’m not pushing enough buttons!.. yet every single things on CD, its… I don’t know. Short of frapsing it, I don’t know how ill quiet the nagging I receive every raid.

I do have a EH/Avoidance set built up, I knew what I was wearing for naxx wouldn’t cut it in Uldar 25, I’ll try to get that set on armory, to link here also. I do know last night, the difference between my two sets was almost 5k hp, I was touching 37k buffed I don’t recall my avoidance numbers, but I know that I have a lot more dodge/parry/block, not sure on the miss %. But yet when I wore this EH/AV set, and tried to tank XT, id die, the final death that caused me to give up tanking last night, I died by 580hp.. took a 25k hit, and was short.. 580 freaking hp.. and the whispers starting coming in about how I get hit so hard, about this or that.. so as I said, I pulled myself from boss tanking, went to picking up pummlers, and at the end of the fight I had 4 pummlers on me, in my linked threat set, with less avoidance, less hp.. but and lived! Never had to think about a pot, never had to use LS/SW.. and none of the healers said boo about me taking dmg..

So.. ya Sorry for the rant.. I’m just .. at my wits end trying to do what I feel I can.. the best that I can. I do understand how to tank, and all the theory that my brain can handle. I’ve tanked everything from MC and until now, Uldar.

You don’t have to be nice, you don’t have to sugar coat it, you feel something needs to be changed, let me know, and if need be, let me have it, anything you guys can dish out, I’m sure I’ve heard worse from my guild :P

Sorry for the long post, and I appreciate any comments, suggestions, or what not.

Thanks,

Bigt

Gomarac
05-21-2009, 02:27 PM
Trade out that dodge trinket get yourself a stam one ...best bet is to run Heroic AN but then again I dunno how many other ppl have told you the same thing. Might think about gemming those red sockets with Expertise/Stam cuz those +12 start to add up. Ruthlessness while good for threat can be replaced for something that adds more stam/avoidance. The boot enchant isnt gonna help might wanna go with pure stam or a mix of stam/minor speed increase.

As far as threat is a concern ... let your guildmembers know to give you a second on the boss .. burn your rage with HS cuz its good for just that. If say Shield Slam, Revenge and Devastate are on cd you can use Concussion Blow and Shockwave... they do good threat when your waitin for shit to light up. Utilize your raid for MD's and Tricks.

Other than that mess of text id say grats Im glad to see another war has the gun *sadface*

Taninor
05-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Last night, and... Well many nights before, the jokes would begin, "Did you bring your plate this time T? Or are you in your paper like always?" Id laughs it off... as best I could, but after the millionth time, it gets tiring. PaperT has been my guild nick name for ... way to long.

Our guild has done full clear of all pre-Uldar content. The amount of gear sitting in my bags in... endless. If you think any item might be better, then mention it, and there’s a chance I already have it. Normally, I’m an OT, but when the need calls, I’m the MT, and our Pali tank does the adds, or what not, you all know how it goes. ATM my armory is showing my threat gear, mostly, I was playing with trinkets last night in Uldar.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Bigt&gn=Celestial+Reign (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Bigt&gn=Celestial+Reign)

I run Naxx 25 in that, with out to many death’s.. I haven’t had a chance to play with all my threat gear since I got my new vigilance glyph. I prolly won’t need near as much expertise to keep the dps off my ass.

It’s always something, I die, I’m wearing paper, dps catch’s me, I’m not pushing enough buttons, my rage bars full, I’m not pushing enough buttons!.. yet every single things on CD, its… I don’t know. Short of frapsing it, I don’t know how ill quiet the nagging I receive every raid.

I do have a EH/Avoidance set built up, I knew what I was wearing for naxx wouldn’t cut it in Uldar 25, I’ll try to get that set on armory, to link here also. I do know last night, the difference between my two sets was almost 5k hp, I was touching 37k buffed I don’t recall my avoidance numbers, but I know that I have a lot more dodge/parry/block, not sure on the miss %. But yet when I wore this EH/AV set, and tried to tank XT, id die, the final death that caused me to give up tanking last night, I died by 580hp.. took a 25k hit, and was short.. 580 freaking hp.. and the whispers starting coming in about how I get hit so hard, about this or that.. so as I said, I pulled myself from boss tanking, went to picking up pummlers, and at the end of the fight I had 4 pummlers on me, in my linked threat set, with less avoidance, less hp.. but and lived! Never had to think about a pot, never had to use LS/SW.. and none of the healers said boo about me taking dmg..

So.. ya Sorry for the rant.. I’m just .. at my wits end trying to do what I feel I can.. the best that I can. I do understand how to tank, and all the theory that my brain can handle. I’ve tanked everything from MC and until now, Uldar.

You don’t have to be nice, you don’t have to sugar coat it, you feel something needs to be changed, let me know, and if need be, let me have it, anything you guys can dish out, I’m sure I’ve heard worse from my guild :P

Sorry for the long post, and I appreciate any comments, suggestions, or what not.

Thanks,

Bigt

37k in a 25 man or 10? If in a 25 man then that is still a bit low. I stepped in to 25's with about 35k unbuffed. A couple of suggestions if you have the gold/time. Switch to JC, the 41 stam gems are well worth it and Figurine - Monarch Crab - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063) is freaking awesome. Run Heroic AN until you get Essence of Gossamer - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37220) and use it. Run the JC trinket with 41 stam gems and the Essence of Gossamer until you get Heart of Iron - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45158), then use the JC trinket and the heart, that will give you a significat hp bump. The Shieldwarder Girdle - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45825) is better than the one you have on now, it has dodge, a bit more health and a little more hit to bring you to cap. If you have the gold then you can craft Indestructible Plate Girdle - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45551).

I'm not a big fan of your spec either, improved TC is a must IMO. I would drop a couple of points out of shield specialization and move them into TC and maybe one out of focused rage. However you do it, fill it out. Being a warrior MT is all about min/maxing, do other classes have it a bit easier? maybe. That just drives me harder, i love proving people wrong who say that we're inferior to the other tank classes, I tanked Sarth 3D when "the tank" for it was a DK.

Bigt
05-23-2009, 02:17 PM
As far as threat is a concern ... let your guildmembers know to give you a second on the boss .. burn your rage with HS cuz its good for just that. If say Shield Slam, Revenge and Devastate are on cd you can use Concussion Blow and Shockwave... they do good threat when your waitin for shit to light up. Utilize your raid for MD's and Tricks.

Other than that mess of text id say grats Im glad to see another war has the gun *sadface*

On this, they have all come to know that i take a few more seconds then our pali MT, and have started to slowroll the dps. Its helped alot with me being hit and expertise capped in my threat set, which is the gear your commenting on. Ive never had compliants from my healers in 25m Naxx with that setup so idunno. Prolly wont play with that set much. As for the gun, i just got it the other night. :P


Trade out that dodge trinket get yourself a stam one ...best bet is to run Heroic AN but then again I dunno how many other ppl have told you the same thing. Might think about gemming those red sockets with Expertise/Stam cuz those +12 start to add up. Ruthlessness while good for threat can be replaced for something that adds more stam/avoidance. The boot enchant isnt gonna help might wanna go with pure stam or a mix of stam/minor speed increase.


37k in a 25 man or 10? If in a 25 man then that is still a bit low. I stepped in to 25's with about 35k unbuffed. A couple of suggestions if you have the gold/time. Switch to JC, the 41 stam gems are well worth it and Figurine - Monarch Crab - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063) is freaking awesome. Run Heroic AN until you get Essence of Gossamer - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37220) and use it. Run the JC trinket with 41 stam gems and the Essence of Gossamer until you get Heart of Iron - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45158), then use the JC trinket and the heart, that will give you a significat hp bump. The Shieldwarder Girdle - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45825) is better than the one you have on now, it has dodge, a bit more health and a little more hit to bring you to cap. If you have the gold then you can craft Indestructible Plate Girdle - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45551).

Ya, after reading your guys posts, and some research, i think im going to go that route, and level JC, sadley its getting nerfed some with the prismatic sockets i heard, but ohwell, i can still do it for the trinkets and a few 41stam gems. Im 9 badges away from the Shieldwarder, so ill put that top of my badge use list.


I'm not a big fan of your spec either, improved TC is a must IMO. I would drop a couple of points out of shield specialization and move them into TC and maybe one out of focused rage. However you do it, fill it out. Being a warrior MT is all about min/maxing, do other classes have it a bit easier? maybe. That just drives me harder, i love proving people wrong who say that we're inferior to the other tank classes, I tanked Sarth 3D when "the tank" for it was a DK.

I'll move some points around and try what ya suggested, ive never really liked the block mechanic.. id rather miss being hit all together :P

Thanks for both of yours suggestions, and i appreciate your time. Hopefully now that I have a armory link with the correct gear, it will open up more ppl to comment or suggest things.

Lizana
05-23-2009, 04:30 PM
I stepped in to 25's with about 35k unbuffed. .

So you stepped in to ulduar 25 man with 100 less unbuffed hp than you have now wearing almost full ulduar gear? Please tell me what magical gear you were wearing to have 35k unbuffed pre ulduar gear

ovine
05-24-2009, 07:36 AM
So you stepped in to ulduar 25 man with 100 less unbuffed hp than you have now wearing almost full ulduar gear? Please tell me what magical gear you were wearing to have 35k unbuffed pre ulduar gear

I suspect he went just a little over the top on stacking stam at the cost of avoidance - perhaps not quite getting the balance right

Lizana
05-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Even with pure stam stacking there is no way he went into ulduar at 35k unbuffed if right now in full stam ulduar gear he is at 35.1k

Dhalphir
05-24-2009, 03:44 PM
Even with dual stamina trinkets I only made it to 34.3k unbuffed in full Naxx gear pre-Ulduar. And that was with barely 20% dodge.

I also call bullshit on that.