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Ushebti
05-05-2009, 12:31 PM
So earlier today, we talked about Bear Rotation - Darksend called it a priority list, but i find calling it that cofusing and harder to follow.

So just to get it on - paper - somewhere:

Lé spec:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGscr0ceRcMzVkbEczb)

Link to Lacerate:
Lacerate - Spell - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48568)

For the lazy ones: NO imp. mangle several bloggers have done the math. Of Teeth and Claws: Should Improved Mangle be in a tanking spec? (http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2009/04/should-improved-mangle-be-in-tanking.html)

And since 3.1 got a nice boost to FFF that'd be a part of our lovely "rotation"
FFF have a 6 second Rotation and Mangle the same.

X is representing first 5 Lacerates, There next some swipes(4).

So here goes:

FFF - Mangle - X - X - FFF
0 - 1.5 - 3.0 - 4.5 - 6.0

Or:

FFF - Mangle - Lacerate - Lacerate - FFF
Mangle - Lacerate (15 second duration start, so Lacerate have to be refreshed after 8-9 global cooldowns.) - Swipe - FFF
Mangle - Swipe - Swipe - FFF
Mangle -Swipe - Lacerate (Ideal) - FFF

This should be the out most benificial rotation. Maul is of cause pressed at all times. Don't know if anyone can use it, but i wouldn't call it a priority list.

Darksend
05-05-2009, 01:22 PM
1) without imp mangle your rotation is easier, you can literally macro it

/castsequence mangle, FF, lacerate, lacerate

or
/castsequence mangle, FF

and manually hit either lacerate or swipe depending on the duration of the dot.

but it is less threat than an imp mangle rotation under:

2) YES IMP MANGLE IS BAD and less threat than MSS. But what about if you have BOTH MSS and Imangle. This is why i call it a priority system

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGscrzceocczAzbAczb) is the closest you can get. But I refuse to give up imp LOTP. My spec gives up IW to contain imp mangle and MSS. I have a Frost dk and a prot warrior in my raid so one of the 2 will always be up, i do not need IW.

Using my spec it is:
is mangle off CD -> mangle
does the lacerate dot have less than 3 seconds -> lacerate
is FFF off cooldown -> FFF
is there CC I do not want to break -> lacerate
is lacerate at a 5 stack with more than 3 seconds left -> if yes Swipe, if no lacerate

Furthermore, lacerate crits proc SD so skiping primal gore is a terrible idea.


3) FF: wrote this one up a long time ago and more recently felhoof did his math on it

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/47583-ptr-testing-new-bear-threat-rotation.html
ThinkTank: [Druid]The net threat value of faerie fire (http://wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/05/druidthe-net-threat-value-of-faerie.html)


btw: your spec does not have imp motw I will assume that is an oversight and you just wanted to get the resto tree done as fast as possible.

If not, imp MOTW is 2% stats > 2 points in furor even though the inconvience of having to shift 10 times pre-boss pull is noticble.

Ushebti
05-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Corrected Talents.

just some thought:
Rotation with Imp. Mangle.

Mangle - FFF - X - Mangle - FFF - X.

Here it exceeds my Math skills, or time I don't know, will the slower build up of Lacerate be worse Mitigationwise and Threatwise?.

Btw, this is just single target stuff, so don't worry to much about CC.

Darksend
05-05-2009, 01:28 PM
no, you skipped Imp MOTW, I am saying in Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGscrzceocczAzbAczb) this spec with MSS IW AND Imangle, you would be forced to skip it which is why it is a bad idea to try and get all 3 of those at once

Ushebti
05-05-2009, 01:41 PM
Furthermore, lacerate crits proc SD so skiping primal gore is a terrible idea.

.

:D

Ushebti
05-05-2009, 01:42 PM
no, you skipped Imp MOTW, I am saying in Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGscrzceocczAzbAczb) this spec with MSS IW AND Imangle, you would be forced to skip it which is why it is a bad idea to try and get all 3 of those at once

Pick one out Charge, I haven't used it so much in Ulduar.