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itakedem
04-22-2009, 03:39 AM
what build here is better for tanking?
this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xZhgxxh0Ikc0iocZcgz0tcz)
or
this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xZhgxxh0Ikc0ioctcg00x)

and what dps build is better for raiding?
this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMqh0IsfRcostGx0xh)
or
this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0xxhZfMoIxczxcV0csut)

Hexen
04-22-2009, 04:57 AM
hello, you could choose bladed armor instead of necrosis, you don't need epidemic as the current disease duration is long enough for a godo rotation.

itakedem
04-22-2009, 06:00 AM
What build are you talking about? And longer dieases means more abilitys before you renew them.
As dps bladed barrier is useless.

itakedem
04-24-2009, 02:05 AM
can anyone tell me if the builds are fine and which 1 is better?
thanks you.

Myddraal
04-24-2009, 09:42 AM
Both dps specs are not very good (hope you dont mine but there terrible.) Alot of the talents are misplaced. Go for a traditional build first until you get a handle on the talents and the synergy between them.
For your tanking spec i would go with the second one but replace the 5 points from necrosis and put it 4 into killing machine and 1 into frost strike.
Just my 2 cents

itakedem
04-24-2009, 10:13 AM
1st, thanks for your comment and i'm glad you said it.
2nd, why to spend point on frost strike? i can use deathcoil instead, and killing machine realy worth it?
i picked necrosis becuz i have increase of shadow dmg and most of melee dps is melee attacks, that mean a good boost to the dps, and the unhoyl blight idea is good?

Myddraal
04-24-2009, 10:25 AM
Frost strike is the best runic dump in game at the moment. It will add alot to your dps. If you go frost for tanking then you buff frost strike alot and its worth the one point. Killing macheine is deffiatley worth it with howling blast. Best way to get aggro back quick if an add gets free in aoe pulls.
Also as frost you wont be using meele that much so five points aint worth it

itakedem
04-25-2009, 03:59 AM
Ok, I guess you are right, what you say about this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xZhxxtA0Ikc0iostcg) build?

Soulfreeze
04-26-2009, 12:00 AM
Here's a Tank build.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Icecrown&cn=Soulfreeze&gn=Nightstalkers)

Was trying out Runic power mastery, putting those 2 points into icy reach is good too.

Myddraal
04-26-2009, 08:23 AM
There are a few misplaced points. Lichborne is no good now for a pve tank and bladed armor is to good of a tps boost to miss. If you raid then going for Imp it might be good but i wouldnt worry about it until you get more comfortable with frost tanking. URL="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMZGxx0AbI0c0iost0g:aTwMmV"]http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMZGxx0AbI0c0iost0g:aTwMmV[/URL]
Try this build. You can mess around with the glyphs. There up to you.
There really isn't a set rotation to tanking. Manage your cooldowns and the rune cds. Prioritize HB (on aoe pulls) and oblit (on single target) and keeping up your diseases. If you cant get the HB glyph then get the disease glyph and refresh the diseases with pest.
For your single target use oblit with diseases up and HB when rime procs. Thats the basics

itakedem
04-26-2009, 08:37 AM
ttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMZGxx0AbI0c0iost0g:aTwMmV
few little improves and those the glyphes, what do you say?

Myddraal
04-26-2009, 06:56 PM
It will work. You just need to try around with a few different specs and see what you like. You hit all the key frost talents and looks solid to me. Its your chacter so have fun with it. Use the talents how you like. I know for kicks i got Hungering cold so i could freeze mobs. Play it how you like but from a practical stand point you hit all the talents you really need.

Hexen
04-27-2009, 01:27 AM
hello, try my frost tanking build, i have no problem outtps-ing my guild tankies with around 1k.. also i can fight the OS with 2 drakes up keeping almost all the elementals and whelps on me..
good luck.

itakedem
04-27-2009, 06:02 AM
Thx for your help about my build, and Hexen could you give me the build or I should guess what it is?

itakedem
04-29-2009, 12:50 AM
What are you saying on these builds?
Blood (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMqh0IsfocostGx0xhZM:ILaMVm)
or
Unholy (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0xxZfM0Ixcdxcq0ssut:pLaMVm)

Wich one is better?

Myddraal
04-29-2009, 10:23 AM
For dps or tank?
As tank builds there fairly bad because your missing the 5/5/5 talents.
For blood tanking you focus alot on self healing so imp blood pres is good as well as imp rune tap. Also DRW does nothing for a tank except a lil increase in dps. DRW has its own threat table that doesnt transfer over to you. Also as a blood tank you use heart strike so going into frost for ahnialtaion wont do you any good.
For unholy Your missing the 5/5/5 aswell. Also gargoyle has its own threat table like DRW so not the best talent point

itakedem
05-01-2009, 02:19 AM
Nope, it's dps build. And I took Ahnialtaion because OB is best frost/unholy hit without talents, then it does the job much better then death strike.

Hexen
05-03-2009, 11:47 PM
hello, try my frost tanking build, i have no problem outtps-ing my guild tankies with around 1k.. also i can fight the OS with 2 drakes up keeping almost all the elementals and whelps on me..
good luck.

hello, you can try both of my builds, one is for tanking/pvp and the other is for dps, both are frostish..

itakedem
05-04-2009, 03:24 AM
Would you mind telling me what are the builds?

Vlad
05-04-2009, 05:48 AM
Death strike is better than oblit now so you should choose imp DS and the DS glyph, oblit doesn't benefit from might of mograine anymore so it pretty much sucks.
Also DS is better because you have specced death rune mastery and it'll proc death runes for you.
This (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0IcdRfostZf0hIxz:ILaMVm) (or something close to it) is probably the best blood dps spec right now, alot of people prefer points in epidemic but I guess thats preference.

if you really want annihilation in your build this (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0IcdRfostG0xxhZb:ILaMVm) would be a better spec.

Voodan
05-04-2009, 07:35 AM
Also DS is better because you have specced death rune mastery and it'll proc death runes for you.

Just to correct, Oblit also procs death runes so that is not a distinguishing characterisitc between the two.

itakedem
05-04-2009, 09:26 AM
Yap. OB is allso give me the death rune, and it does more dmg then DS and with the talent that make it not cosnsume the deasies I get 3% crit.

Vlad
05-11-2009, 04:14 AM
Just to correct, Oblit also procs death runes so that is not a distinguishing characterisitc between the two.

This is true, but I find my DS does more dmg with a DS glyph.. prob cos of the crit dmg bonus from MoM.
Oblit is prob better if you're low on RP at the time.