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TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Armory link - The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=Odnaix)

before anyone says anything, i socketed for parry on the belt because it was the only thing I could afford at the time, and I haven't gotten around to socketing the shoulders yet. lol

I posted a few days ago, and I didn't really get much in the ways of responses, SO, here we go lol.

I'm really getting pretty frustrated with healers that tell me I don't have enough health, or that I can't tank something because of a lack of health. Because for the record, I have tanked all of the non-raid heroics aside from The Oculus, because it's lame lol. I have skill, a decent TPS output, and I REALLY can't wait to get into raid content.

I'm a little shaky on my spec, personally I like it, but I'm not sure it's the best that it can be. There's just something about putting 15 points into arms that just seems wrong to me lol.

I have a few plans for upgrades, such as the essence of gossamer from H AN, and a few pieces of emblem gear, like the chest, gloves, and neck.

So yeah, I just need a little input and I'm wondering if I should be leaving my guild for a more "raid" oriented guild, as I am literally the only 80 warrior in the guild, and we barely have 10 different people that have lvl 80 characters.

And yes, I know i need to grind rep with Hodir and whatnot lol.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but a lengthy response would be very helpful =)

Squirrelnut
03-31-2009, 02:39 PM
If you want to raid you need to be in a guild that does Nax10 or 25 on a weekly basis. If your guild doesn't even have 80's let alone gear or drive to raid you are probably best served looking for a new guild if its important to you.

With that being said you need to cover your own bases to actually have something to offer to a guild. You said you have pretty good TPS output so you may already be fine on your keybinds & rotation but double check and make sure its all setup clearly so that you never even have to think about it while following the generally advized prioritization:
Shield Slam > Revenge > Concussion Blow > Shockwave > Devistate with heroic strike spam whenever 50+ rage.
Gear is always something to be improved but a good rotation, reaction time and general skill will make you a valued asset even with lower quality gear.

You are currently good on your defense being well over 540 however as you 'upgrade' you will lose some of that so you will want to grab a Seal of the Pantheon (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36993) from normal Halls of Lighting so you can use it as needed to allow upgrades to better gear but that has reduced defense.

As a warrior you want to gem for health & expertise as it keeps you alive and allows you to do more TPS while also providing some damage mitigation. Begin shooting for the expertise soft cap of 26 as it really helps your threat.

Also, it really is worth it to level your skills such as BS, the extra sockets and gear you can make really do give you a nice benefit while showing potential future guilds you care enough to take the time to do so.

If you don't have the opportunity to raid yet or if you want to improve your gear prior to going into Nax then you could look at going for the following items to help your stats:
Trinket - Normal Halls of Lighting - Seal of the Pantheon (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36993)
Trinket - Heroic Azjol'Nerub - Essence of Gossamer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37220)
Neck - Buy with emblems - Chained Military Gorget (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40679)
Hands - Heroic Gundrak - Horn-Tipped Gauntlets (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37645)
Legs - Heroic Violet Hold - Bolstered Legplates (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43500)
Bracers - Heroic Old Kingdom - Bracers of the Herald (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37620)

Really it is a matter of finding a group of people that want to raid and just start doing it. As long as you are over the defense cap and have most of the other stats filled (which you do) you should be fine to start running 10 mans and learning the fights.

Healers that complain about life usually don't know what they are talking about or are under-geared themselves so just lol and move on when you run into people like that.

Eisen
03-31-2009, 02:42 PM
Well you have enough health for any Heroic/VoA....and enough to probably start Naxx.

Honestly there's nothing really wrong with your gear as starting for raids goes either...maybe replace the crit trinket with the tanking trinkets from H-AN, HVH, or regular HoL.

A few simple to get upgrades otherwise...Bolstered Legplates from HVH are a nice upgrade..and the 25 badge neck shouldn't be hard either.

I'd work on getting BS up...get those extra sockets. Also get Argent Crusade to revered and get the tanking head enchant. t's a ncie imporvement over your current. Take the parry out of the belt (it's uselss) and replace it with stam, hit, exp...heck pretty much anything. Also, the shoulders don't look gemmed...get something in there too.

Your spec, however, could use some work. Imp spell reflect is a little gimmicky...he hardly works often enough to make it worth the effort. Puncture is also a little meh...you could definately spend those points elsewhere. Hoenstly I reocmmend the 15/5/51 spec pretty much every time I post on one of these, and with good reason. It works well.

TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 02:52 PM
Thank you both very much for your input, like I said I know pretty much what to do for gear, it's just that I seem to have the worst luck on the planet. I've been running the hell out of H OK, and Reg HoL...the trinket dropped from HoL ONE TIME and some ass rolled need for an OFF SPEC. Needless to say I was pretty much infuriated.

And yeah, I've been tanking since vanilla WoW so I pretty much have a rotation down, but is concussion blow really that important? I haven't really used it much and I haven't really had any problems.

Another question, is using cleave an effective way (aside from thunderclap and shockwave) to gain AoE threat? I currently use the glyph to get the extra target on cleave, and I haven't really been able to use it since I've gotten omen so I haven't been able to check the TPS differences.

The blacksmithing thing...the mere THOUGHT of spending all that time grinding it just makes me want to /wrists. I know it's worth it...it's SO worth it...but it's so much gold/time lol

Squirrelnut
03-31-2009, 02:52 PM
Ya I forgot to mention that your talent spec could be improved, basically 95% of warrior tanks use the default 15/5/51 spec because it simply provides the most TPS, survivability and versatility.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM00fZhbZMItrx0zidIzsGo)

Get used to the 15 points in arms, it allows you to get deep wounds which many many theory craft threads show is a great dps/tps improvement.

EDIT: I used to use the glyph for cleave but switched for revenge instead. Generally I find aoe tanking with cleave is great but can cause you to get rage deprived fairly easily so just keep an eye on it and with the revenge glyph I get some nice free heroic strikes which keep the TPS up but allow me to keep more rage. Basically I find:
Glyph of Blocking (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43425)
Glyph of Revenge (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43424)
Glyph of Devastate (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43415)

To be by far the most useful with:
Glyph of Thunder Clap (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43399)
Glyph of Charge (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43397)
Glyph of Battle (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43395)
as my minor ones.

EDIT2: AH whore + power lvl = nice fast maxed BS

TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 03:00 PM
Yeah, I use the glyph of Blocking, and the Glyph of Devastate already. I honestly don't remember what I use for minor, I just know that I love the glyph of bloodrage because it makes it not cost any health, but I suppose that that's really only good for soloing.

I wasn't aware that the Glyph of Revenge does what it does, that's pretty awesome. And I'm sure it leads to infinite rage like nobodies business.

EDIT:
For the Glyph of Battle, is it really necessary? Like, does battle shout really help your TPS that much? So far I've pretty much been exclusively using Commanding Shout and I haven't had any problems. But I guess it probably makes a hell of a difference in raids.

EDIT2:
I don't have the money to be an AH whore for BS...shit I don't even have the epic flying skill yet. And what do you mean power leveling it?

Eisen
03-31-2009, 03:13 PM
Glyph of Revenge+Glyph of HS=awesome.

I'm using those two and blocking. You don't really get extra threat out of imp devastate/sunder, it just helps you get the mobs debuffed a little faster. I've found my TPS jumped a lot since I dropped Devastate for HS

Kancho
03-31-2009, 03:14 PM
Glyph of battle is nice for leveling/soloing, but in a raid your battle shout will usually be overwritten by paladin Blessing of Might, and you'll be using command.

Another good glyph is Heroic Strike, which has great synergy with glyph of Revenge. Both are better than Devastate, imo.

He means powerleveling it from 0-400, which isn't very hard. Ride around and farm up some ore if don't have money (especially thorium/mithril), and you get the bonus 2 sockets from blacksmithing, which will go a long way in helping out your tank stats. If you get your Mining up to 450 as well, you'll get a nice hp lift from that too.

Good luck!

TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 03:17 PM
Well I understand that he means powerleveling the blacksmithing, but what would be an effective way to do that? Besides the obvious riding around on my mount like an asshole for like 3 weeks lol

Kancho
03-31-2009, 03:24 PM
You gotta suck it up and do it, but your professions both work well together so think of it as a 2-for-1. Get some good music and maybe some good movies.

Alternatively, you could drop lots of gold and just buy the mats.

Edit: It goes a lot faster than it seems too, when I did mine (BS 0-400, JC 0-400, Mining 2x 0-450), I broke it up into 15 minute sessions, and would just log in, take a lap on a farming circuit, log over to an alt/do something else for an hour, and come back in 15 minutes.

TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 03:31 PM
How long did it take you?

Kancho
03-31-2009, 03:37 PM
A little more than a week to collect the mats. I bought the cheaper low level mats and then mined the expensive ones myself (mithril and thorium). It's pretty fast to level BS until you hit the "thorium wall," but easy again once you get to BC/WotLK mats. If you have an enchanter friend that can DE all the greens you make, you can sell those at a profit too (or powerlevel enchanting).

Squirrelnut
03-31-2009, 03:40 PM
Ya glyph of battle is pretty mediocre at best but so is the alternative glyph of blood rage. I have been pretty happy with glyph of devastate as it increases the potential for a groups dps but I may consider switching over to glyph of heroic strike. They are both good options.

I have always had gold from playing the AH game. I have no patience for leveling skills so for example I power leveled JC from 0 - 450 in a day not long ago because I figured it was better for a Prot warrior then enchanting.

Eisen
03-31-2009, 03:42 PM
I did 1-375 BS in about 5 days of hard work. 376-450 probably took abother week after that. But to be honest that took so long because I was just doing it as I levelled. Aside from the sheer volume of saronite you need for certain things, raising BS in LK has gotten easier

Kancho
03-31-2009, 03:46 PM
Yeah BC/JC is the best for min-max it seems. I have seen a lot of paladins go ench/JC, usually they are holy or holy/ret, is it as viable a combo for tanking?

(sorry to derail the thread!)

TheMightyHeffer
03-31-2009, 03:49 PM
So I guess I'll just mine the hell out of everything for a while, and then blacksmith the shit out of the stuff that I mined the hell out of.

If that made any sense at all lmao

Eisen
03-31-2009, 05:37 PM
So I guess I'll just mine the hell out of everything for a while, and then blacksmith the shit out of the stuff that I mined the hell out of.

If that made any sense at all lmao

Doable, although honestly the slowest option.

The best way to plevel mining is to buy whatever raw ore that can give you ups, then smelt it until it turns grey. Then go out and mine whatever you need from there. As others have mentioned the "thorium wall" is a monster, although buying large amounts of truesilver ore (if you can afford it) helps.

BS is much the same...buy as much of the ore as you can afford from the AH. Many of the "best" items to raise skill at certain points require either gems or elemental bits or rare ores like truesilver. Or you can take the tougher option, which is spamming ridiculous amounts of the same green item in hopes of a couple more points to hit the next hurdle.

TheMightyHeffer
04-03-2009, 07:49 AM
Hey all, I ran 10 man naxx as the off tank the other night. We pugged it, and did a full run with minimal wipes. The enounters are rather easy (as I learned them all in one run through, we only wiped on like 2 bosses, and it wasn't due to tank errors =) ) and I got a nice upgrade to my helm and gauntlets, here's my armory link.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=Odnaix)

So yeah, I am now unguilded, and looking...so if anyone on Nathrezim needs a good tank, please, let me know =)

Oh, and just for the record, I wasn't the standard 15/5/51 and I was still outputting at LEAST 3k TPS on single target bosses. Obviously I'm still working on my rotation, and I'm adjusting my spec to the standard as I type this.