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Raty2021
02-15-2009, 10:49 AM
I know magic suppression is a large point investment with a small return, but I've grown to like it and with 3.1 the point investment wont be as large.

But as I have just started to move up into raid tanking I find myself falling behind over geared players on single-target threat generation. AE packs I some how manage to hold very well.

I'm wondering if its perhaps my lack of hit/expertise/gear or maybe I should smudge my current talent build around.

~Current Armory~ (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Andorhal&n=Darkpigtails)

The two builds I keep creating no matter how I vary the points have two variations, one with and one w/o magic suppression. I'll admit I'm not as in tune with my DK as I should be since he is an alt and there is probably some silly stuff I don't know about xP.

However here are the builds:

9/11/51 (w/o suppression) (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0vZhg0zZfgbhx0kgcoMcout)
12/8/51 (w/o suppression) (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZhxZfgbhx0kgcoMcout)
9/11/51 (w suppression) (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0vZhg0zZfg0hx0oge0ocout)
12/8/51 (w suppression) (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMZhxZfg0hx0oge0ocout)

Any help would be appreciated, thanks for viewing the post.

Dark~

Toushiro
02-15-2009, 06:05 PM
if your having problems with single target you can try my current build

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMkZGxxthxdohoVosx0x)

i have little problems with single and AoE groups with that build

Raty2021
02-15-2009, 07:08 PM
Looking to stay unholy

Typhus
02-15-2009, 07:35 PM
If you are planning on staying UH i would go something like this
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZhxZfgbhxczgcc0cout)

Also check your rotations, what types of glyphs are you using. Getting both hit and expertise in is a good choise, when you hit 30k life in frostpresense without buffs its a good time to Gem for other stuff then stamina. Parries and dodges are something that plunge your TPS down the drain. Also try to macro in your Rune Strike to an ability you use alot, like Scourge Strike or such so you use it when its up always.

lightbeats
02-16-2009, 04:56 PM
If you are planning on staying UH i would go something like this
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZhxZfgbhxczgcc0cout)

Also check your rotations, what types of glyphs are you using. Getting both hit and expertise in is a good choise, when you hit 30k life in frostpresense without buffs its a good time to Gem for other stuff then stamina. Parries and dodges are something that plunge your TPS down the drain. Also try to macro in your Rune Strike to an ability you use alot, like Scourge Strike or such so you use it when its up always.

Just been looking for a nice Tank build for tanking Sarth3D (need the magic surpression talents)... this seems like the most logical build in this thread.

Anyone can actually compare Frost to Unholy, say for.... a whole naxx run (not individual bosses). Which would people rate as a safer build taking all into account, TPS, damage taken, O-Sht! moments. In decent gear here, full T7.

Addohm
02-16-2009, 10:34 PM
Just been looking for a nice Tank build for tanking Sarth3D (need the magic surpression talents)... this seems like the most logical build in this thread.

Anyone can actually compare Frost to Unholy, say for.... a whole naxx run (not individual bosses). Which would people rate as a safer build taking all into account, TPS, damage taken, O-Sht! moments. In decent gear here, full T7.

Come 3.1, frost will be "the nice tank build for tanking sarth 3D (and everything else that requires tanking)", spec it now and get used to it. No need to wait till the last minute to spec it, and start learning rotations at the cost of everyone else's repair bills.

For Sarth 3D specifically though, in 3.1, I will have dual-spec w/ acclimation, and without it. This will also depend on Uldar as well.

TheYanger
02-17-2009, 03:01 AM
Not sure why you think Frost would be particularly suited for S3...really it's the worst vs magic by far, and acclimation vs a breath that only hits once every 15 seconds or so is pretty awful. Unless you intend to just stand in the lava the entire fight.

It's not entirely necessary, but if you want to shoulder more of the 'survival' burden and let your healers relax, this is what I use:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EMqc0cZhg0zZbghhx0oGe0o0o)

AMS, BS, IBF, AMZ AMS again, you should be good to go. Toss in a guardian if you run into a gap cause he breathes too often.

Addohm
02-17-2009, 07:00 AM
Unbreakable Armor now absorbs a flat amount of damage that increases as your armor increases. It no longer boosts armor.

Simplified: It absorbs a percentage of all damage instead of exclusively absorbing physical damage.

What percentage, we don't yet know, but I'd bet it'll be right on par with bone armor. Unholy is at best, an off-tank spec, or what I like to call an off-off-tank. Only has to tank where absolutely necessary, otherwise is DPS.

Ray
02-17-2009, 08:57 AM
After looking over your armory and talent spec. Everything looks fairly good for a MITIGATION type build. The only talent I would say your missing would be Dirge. more RP = more RS + DC. This will produce in your gear anywhere from 3 to 4K TPS depending on if you have Sanc + tight rotation. However, to take it to the next lvl, you will need to drop LB (and even suppression) for more threat talents like full BA, 2H weapon Special, and even a point in viralence to help your hit out. I would assume you could sustain arround 4K in your gear setup with a few talent switches.

Other than that, start geming for exp and then hit. But your still wearing blues (which is fine) so dont exspect to really keep up with top end geared DPS who know what there doing. Pick up a few good drops and youll catch up.

Raty2021
02-17-2009, 06:05 PM
Thanks Ray, what did you think of the build variations I posted.

Is there one that stands out? From your post it sounds like I was looking in the right direction.

Also just noticed 2 of my links were wrong -_-, fixed them

Ray
02-18-2009, 06:16 AM
Thanks Ray, what did you think of the build variations I posted.

Is there one that stands out? From your post it sounds like I was looking in the right direction.

Also just noticed 2 of my links were wrong -_-, fixed them

Ive used most of those builds at some point in time (I respec alot for different fights, like my armory right now is what I used to tank Blazes for Sarth 3D 10 man). Only thing Id say is that if you like/want to use a ghoul while tanking, put atleast 1 point (only really need one) in NotLD. This will help guarantee to help your buddy be up 95% of the time.

If it were me, I would stick with a more mitigation type general build (w/o AMZ) so that you have more CDs to help cover your healer(s) until you get some better gear. Yeah Threat will be a little low, but atleast you know it and can be ready with the quick taunts :P