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Terrybull
01-20-2009, 05:23 PM
I imagine it has jumped a spot or two in the gear listings, seeing as it now has a blue and a meta socket, but the other stats seem completely unchanged! I read that the other stats were being rebalanced down, to compensate for the gem slots.

Gem'd with the 32 sta/2% armor meta, and a 24 sta gem, that's 216 stamina from a crafted piece of gear.

Warwench
01-20-2009, 05:26 PM
dont forget +37 for the head enchant, 250 STA from just the head seems.. excessive?

Aethelas
01-21-2009, 12:38 AM
As an engineer I am completely flabberguested.

Fine. I get 60 expertise and 5 or 6 more defense rating. That's nice but the _sheer_ amount of health on that helm is just ludicrous. Seriously! What do I have as an engineer now in therms of raid viable stuff? Sure I get repair bots and a glove enchant that nobody wants to use, a trinket that arguably could be used but well... seriously!

I can't come to therms with this. Not just yet.

Aethelas

Gnurken
01-21-2009, 01:02 AM
Ssshhhhh, don't tell Blizzard ok? :)

Muffin Man
01-21-2009, 01:14 AM
I may just cave and get this. It's too good to pass up, despite being utterly boring.

Although, now that I've said that I'm afraid it'll get nerfed right after I get it =x

Haterade
01-21-2009, 01:47 AM
im having mine made and everything right now lol

deadwrong
01-21-2009, 02:13 AM
i heard some nasty rumours that the changes didn't make it into the patch!

could someone pls confirm that they have their hands on one of these re-vamped beauties in-game so i can put my mind at ease.

- DW

mavfin
01-21-2009, 02:17 AM
Confirmed. Was wearing an old one, now has gem slots, and made one for someone else tonight, with gem slots.

It's real. Love it.

deadwrong
01-21-2009, 02:24 AM
cheers Mavfin! I'll be +Sta'ing that baby to the max when i get on later :)

- DW

Juon
01-21-2009, 02:31 AM
As an engineer I am very happywith the new thermal sapper charges for AOE. It is solid aoe threat/dps that is immensely useful when GCD queues in a multitasking environment isnt cutting it with the obscene aoe dpsers.

The engineer helm is meant for lvl 72-80, giving engineers a jumpstart. We can expect an improved version in the making. For now, this titansteel is a good bridge.

Apsat
01-21-2009, 02:35 AM
I can't wait to get on and sort out the gems for this helm, had it since i hit 80 but now wondering what gems to put it, Any advice?

Thinking of adding the def meta with a 24sta gem, i'm a JC so taking the def meta would allow me to change one of the epic def gems i have in to a 41sta gem.

mavfin
01-21-2009, 02:36 AM
I put in an Austere Earthsiege Diamond (32 stam+2% armor), and a Solid Sky Sapphire (24 stam)

Socket bonus is more stam, iirc.

Mhoram
01-21-2009, 06:01 AM
It's +8 defense rating.

defjam
01-21-2009, 06:12 AM
It's +8 defense rating.

no it's not..it's +8 agility i think

Jynavi
01-21-2009, 06:18 AM
+8agl is the spiked titansteel. +8def is the tempered titansteel.

Sheed
01-21-2009, 06:59 AM
Mmm.....This makes me happy. I had one of these crafted when I hit 80, and within 2 days I was wearing the blue Arcane one from Nexus just for the gem slots. I'm glad I kept this baby in the bank instead of vendoring it. I just got Thane's last week, but I will be gemming this up for max stamina.

Horacio
01-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Its pretty insane, tbh. I cannot imagine this is balanced by any stretch of the imagination. I wore this helm for a good while until I got my Helm of Vital Protection.....I shouldn't be looking at a crafted ilvl 200 helm compared to the best tank helm on my list and saying 'hmmmm....' certainly, for heavy magic damage battles (Malygos) that massive amount of Stam is where its at.

Gnurken
01-21-2009, 07:25 AM
I don't know how much 13itemlevels should differ. Comparing to Vital Protection (assuming you put a blue 24stam gem in tempered and had a green 8def/12stam gem in Vital for the 12stam bonus), which negates the sockets and bonuses in comparing.

-46 armor
-13 def rating
-56 parry rating
-36 expertise rating
-7 strenght

but +34stamina

I remember something they said about stamina is a cheap stat when calculating itemlevel this could be in line with itemlevel 200.

I intend to use it on Sarth-3drake but I still consider Vital Protection helm to be the best for all other encounters where surviving huge breaths is not an issue.

Aethelas
01-21-2009, 07:32 AM
It's insane a boe crafted that's supposed to help you start raiding is one of the best items in slot. It's just not and I cannot get over it... In fact, this ruined my day.

veneretio
01-21-2009, 07:35 AM
I remember something they said about stamina is a cheap stat when calculating itemlevel this could be in line with itemlevel 200.

You're correct.

1.5 Stamina ilvl wise is roughly equivalent to 1 of just about everything else. That's why you see all the gems being 16 Expertise, 16 Defense, 16 Dodge, etc and the Stamina one is 24. (16 * 1.5 = 24)

That being said, this helm definitely is amazing. I'm really looking forward to crafting myself up one :D

Horacio
01-21-2009, 10:47 AM
I hadn't sat down and put pencil to paper yet and I'm sufficiently satisfied with my hp to not worry about switching back to TTS.

I slammed a +41 stam dragon's eye in my Vital. Still screwing around with that whole set up right now though, only been a JC for 3 days.

Kazeyonoma
01-21-2009, 11:12 AM
grabbed this bad boy out of my bank, enchaned, meta gemmed, blue gemmed, equipped it, soul bound it, and said LETS ROCK.

Then Helm of Vital Protection dropped and I got it.

*cry*

Tendo
01-22-2009, 08:38 AM
Having not downed bosses in Naxx yet, my choices are TTS or Arcane-shielded. With the tauren bullring, and the tusks I have, the ASH is so much better looking on my than TTS. Time to click off Show Helm...

bigredbird
01-22-2009, 09:15 AM
So what progression helm(s) would you take over the crafted? Sounds like Vital Protection is one. T7.5?

Shodowz
01-22-2009, 10:54 PM
I have this bad boy and stacked with all +Stam, when i get something else like Thanes helm from 4horseman then i will use that in my avoidance set.

Whitegold
01-22-2009, 10:59 PM
I put one of these on my squishy melon head the other day and finally saw the sunny side of 25000HP.

Curious, though, Horacio, how are you getting access to Dragons Eyes when you've only been doing JC for 3 days? Do you only need to be a JC to use them, not any level, or did you skill up that fast?

Taelas
01-22-2009, 11:03 PM
~27.5k health thanks to this bad boy.

All pre-raid gear, mind you.