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Ciderhelm
12-31-2008, 11:21 PM
http://media.libsyn.com/media/ciderhelm/New_Years_Podcast.mp3

Happy New Year! In this podcast, we discuss current raids and raid design, as well as our expectations for Ulduar. You have been attacked by a pack of wild Kurinnaxx.

Bragoon
01-01-2009, 01:46 AM
Woot :)

Edgar
01-01-2009, 04:01 AM
haha

also I don't approve the marmot replacement!

Darksend
01-01-2009, 04:06 AM
is the barely audible crackling that makes listening to this akin to chinese water torture on my end or is that in the recording ?

Edgar
01-01-2009, 04:16 AM
It's the player. I have that too but if I click "Direct Download For This Podcast" Firefox plays it via QuickTime and it's fine.

Vissara
01-01-2009, 04:49 AM
You have been attacked by a pack of wild Kurinnaxx lol

The biggest differences I've found in 10 and 25 is that group make up is a huge part of handling the various encounters. (Specifically Naxx. VoA and OS aren't very dependent on group composition.) Try doing some of the spider wing without poison cleansing or kiting the adds on Gluth without an actual kiter. Don't get me wrong, with some adjustments it can be done. I can't wait to see how the encounters in Ulduar, or whatever the next raid is, affects group composition based on the mechanics we see.

You guys mentioned benching people for some of these achievements that ask you to do it with fewer people; what we've been doing is we have a group of about 6-7 of us that are gung ho about finishing these and we just worked out a rotation for sitting. Once we understood how the encounter worked it became a lot easier for us to rotate people in and out. For the 5 man stuff its not that bad, but when it comes to the raid achievements, I could definately see where some folks might get upset about being benched.

Ciderhelm
01-01-2009, 07:00 AM
Moved to public forums!

Rak
01-01-2009, 07:45 AM
We are always priest light. Last week we did 25 man Razuvious with only one priest. Just MC one add, have rogues evasion tank when he needs to re-MC and such. Was still very easy.

huggy77
01-01-2009, 10:27 AM
thanks for the podcast cider - these rock......

Horacio
01-01-2009, 10:53 AM
AQ20 can die in a fire. I hate bugs.

Nuke
01-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Btw you dont need any priests for a 25 man Razuvious if you have mages.

25-man Razuvious mage tanked - WoW Insider (http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/12/21/25-man-razuvious-done-with-no-priests/)

Lore
01-01-2009, 10:43 PM
If you listen very closely at the beginning you can hear my wife bitching about how we didn't use her christmas intro

Man▀earpig
01-01-2009, 10:45 PM
holy crap cider, the answer to our prayers. MAGES!!!

Arrivan
01-01-2009, 11:01 PM
You have been attacked by a pack of wild Kurinnaxx lol


Thought you were done with pre-WotLK WoW? Think again. I've just been leaked the information that Blizzard plans to open up one last instance three hours before the release of Wrath of the Litch King: Kurinaxxramas.

You guessed it - every boss is Kurinaxx. Prepare yourself for an epic fight against Kurinaxx after Kurinaxx throughout the halls of an Undead slaughterhouse. An anonymous Blizzard representative reports that there will be 32 Kurinaxx encounters in total without a single variation save in minor aesthetic details. The base Kurinaxx model will remain the same throughout every fight, yet each will feature a unique costume - confirmed flavors include Easter Bunny Kurinaxx, Kel'Thukurinaxx, Mankrikurinaxx and, in an apparent instance of shameless product placement, Fifty Centurinaxx.

Screens from the Test Realms:

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/6807/kurin1zj8.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/553/kurin2hh6.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4480/kurin3ga5.jpg

Shameless copy-pasta from the WoW forums. World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> New Instance: Kurinaxxramas 25 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103817398&sid=1) The original was better but the thread doesn't exist any more :(

Lore
01-01-2009, 11:22 PM
PS:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1985/kurinnaxxstormrageiz6.jpg

Taelas
01-02-2009, 01:30 AM
Why's he wielding all those Warblades from the wrong side? :p

Breagan
01-02-2009, 10:09 AM
Great podcast lots of good summaries. One request/complaint/suggestion , one of the great things I love about tankspot including the PM movies, is that the information is often right there ready to be digested and discussed. This is true of most TankSpot content except for the intro and some sections of your podcasts :(

The few I've sampled always seem to have the 2 minutes of playful introduction chatter, thing is its just not that funny. "What'd you do today?" "I slept, ate, ect." This is novice podcast humor, which to be honest is never very funny.

Some of the more successful podcasts (The Instance for example) seem to follow a tighter content script as well as having a little more of a polished feel.

All in all I guess I'd like to see the podcasts have the same level of "Wow that was awesome!" and professionalism as the PM movies.

Breagan

Lore
01-02-2009, 11:00 AM
We tried following a tight content script a couple times and the casts were honestly just boring, both for us and the people listening. Our offtopic podcasts (which we followed little to no script for) were getting significantly better feedback than the ones in which we put on our serious hats and talked about tanking for an hour. Heck, look at the feedback we've gotten for this one so far. More people have responded to the pack of wild Kurinnaxx than anything else :P

Our current philosophy reads something like this: We don't talk about anything terribly important that's not available in some fashion for digestion and discussion on the site already. 99% of this last podcast, for example, was just our thoughts and opinions on WotLK raiding. The other 1% was nonsense. So, we're not expecting people to want to skip back to part of the podcast later to get something super important. Podcasting is a terrible format for important information that you'll want to look up again later anyway. Instead, the focus is largely on being entertaining and just making something fun to listen to. The podcast is an extension of the site, not a replacement. We still want you to come to Tankspot.com and read up on the forums :P

Now, I'm not going to try to say we're even close to perfect. "Novice podcast humor" is probably a good term. We're novice podcasters ;). We'll get better with more experience and as we get more comfortable with the medium. I just wouldn't expect Project Marmot-style professional guidance or whatever out of the podcast. That's what Project Marmot is there for. The podcast is just something fun to listen to to kill an hour and a half or whatever.

Breagan
01-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Hey there I do appreciate all the work you folks put in on the site and the podcasts. I've added tankspot to my list of must-check-out-if-you-want-to-get-better-at-your-class resources when people ask me for advice on gear, spec, and rotations. I didn't mean to imply that you should only wear your spreadsheet hats while on the podcast. Some of the podcasts I enjoy the most are ones that deliver interesting content in an entertaining manner (Old Legendary Threads with Jeff Green come to mind). Best of luck to you on future podcasts and other content, I'll be listening and reading (and maybe occasionally posting).

Breagan

Loneblade
01-02-2009, 03:40 PM
Very enjoyable and one of your best.

I'm kinda with Breagan on the humor and I like that there was less of the 'what...' 'what...' kind of thing in this podcast as it just doesn't resonate as funny for me.

When you guys are just talking about stuff, it's very engaging and I take alot from it.

Lore
01-02-2009, 03:49 PM
Yeah I won't try to make an excuse for when we're just randomly quiet for no reason, but that's something I imagine will iron out with more experience =)

Ciderhelm
01-02-2009, 05:59 PM
Some of the more successful podcasts (The Instance for example) seem to follow a tighter content script as well as having a little more of a polished feel.

All in all I guess I'd like to see the podcasts have the same level of "Wow that was awesome!" and professionalism as the PM movies.
I appreciate the constructive criticism.


The podcast exists primarily for information and secondarily for entertainment. You simply aren't going to find too many podcasts with as much reliable information as we've been able to provide. The information, however, requires that we both continue to be progression raiders; When you have a job, raid 16-20 hours a week (less now w/ current content), and administer websites as we both do, recording podcasts is not something we can spend additional hours on.

To help illustrate this, look at any of the Project Marmot movies. The movie gets recorded during times I'm raiding anyway. The whole process takes me 4 hours to produce a single, 10 minute clip. A recorded podcast with only very basic editing takes 4 hours, because of the brainstorming beforehand, the length of the audio (both in recording and in editing). The New Year's podcast was recorded, in full, two other times beforehand, so this podcast has been an 8+hour endeavor.


In the grand scheme of things, podcasts aren't terribly useful. They have a purpose and a place, but the bottom line is that while a Project Marmot movie hits 100,000+ visitors in short order, a single podcast -- even the very best podcasts in WoW -- won't.

We're still providing information, which is what's important to us. In the world of WoW recordings, we're the most game-knowledgeable podcasters. In this podcast, a lot of the information we discussed on Ulduar was all-but-confirmed by Blizzard a few hours later on their raid discussion forums. Separate of predictions, most of our podcasts where we deal with game facts are rock solid and based on a deep reservoire of knowledge we've accumulated over the years. We believe that through the website, movies, and podcasts, we're helping to provide insight, either from ourselves or from others, to players.


What is all this meant to say?


We have an audience that appreciates the banter and we have an audience that doesn't. We accept this. Read through the threads below and you'll see the same argument hashed out on both sides by other members.
We understand that with more work we can have a more perfect podcast. Occasionally, as with the "Learning From Our Experiences" podcast, you'll see us put in this work. Most of the time you won't. We know.
Understand that the same amount of time goes into this site regardless. The reason for a lack of podcasts since we started raiding is because we put out more than 20 endgame movies for the community. This is all a balancing act of time -- we do not have a staff on this site.

Krashtork
01-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Don't you dare change how you do your podcasts! I like the conversational feel to it. Unless you guys have a topic that is supposed to be very structured and informative (*COUGH* WTB Mechanize your guild Part 2 *COUGH*) it makes for a very good listen the way it is.

Arrivan
01-03-2009, 08:24 AM
http://www.tankspot.com/photoplog/images/781/1_kurinnaxxramas.jpg

Thos
01-03-2009, 11:22 AM
I agree with Krashtork. I enjoy listening to you podcasts, especially when driving long distances. The witty banter in the midst of the meat of the podcasts give me time to digest what you all have said. Keep up the good work!

Nerlth
01-03-2009, 05:41 PM
What is a marmot anyways?

Lore
01-03-2009, 09:12 PM
If you donated you'd know

Krashtork
01-04-2009, 04:27 AM
Hey Cider, I have to ask, since you're so busy with well, everything, can we make podcasts? I think there's a lot of members of the community with some great things to say that don't get heard, just read. We all know that text can be pretty stoic and a lot of what is said can be lost.

I like how tankspot does it's podcasts, and someday I wouldn't mind sharing my thoughts, specifically on what i've learned about guild leadership.

All in all, tankspot provides the more knowledgeble podcasts. Kurinaxx, Marmots, and Tanking Fact all rolled into one? What could be better?

P.S. "The Instance" is boring anyways.

Krashtork
01-04-2009, 04:27 AM
http://www.tankspot.com/photoplog/images/781/1_kurinnaxxramas.jpg

Oh and this guy wins.

Ciderhelm
01-04-2009, 04:33 AM
Hey Cider, I have to ask, since you're so busy with well, everything, can we make podcasts? I think there's a lot of members of the community with some great things to say that don't get heard, just read. We all know that text can be pretty stoic and a lot of what is said can be lost.

I like how tankspot does it's podcasts, and someday I wouldn't mind sharing my thoughts, specifically on what i've learned about guild leadership.

All in all, tankspot provides the more knowledgeble podcasts. Kurinaxx, Marmots, and Tanking Fact all rolled into one? What could be better?

P.S. "The Instance" is boring anyways.
Sure! This is why I have Veneretio post his podcasts to the community as well.

I'll include the process in the post I'm writing up about software I use for video recording. :)

Nerlth
01-04-2009, 12:14 PM
If you donated you'd know

I never got the point of donating here. You could easily make your monthly monetary needs through advertisements. Weather you were paid X amount per week or month, paid per site view, or paid per click on the advertisement, you get enough site traffic to meet your needs.

Also, I find it rather disheartening how you would exclude members from things on your site because they would rather donate their 20 dollars to someone who actually needs it.

I am not religious by any means, in fact, I'm atheist. But I simply can't donate money here knowing somebody really needs it over there.

Ciderhelm
01-04-2009, 01:14 PM
I never got the point of donating here. You could easily make your monthly monetary needs through advertisements. Weather you were paid X amount per week or month, paid per site view, or paid per click on the advertisement, you get enough site traffic to meet your needs.

Also, I find it rather disheartening how you would exclude members from things on your site because they would rather donate their 20 dollars to someone who actually needs it.

I am not religious by any means, in fact, I'm atheist. But I simply can't donate money here knowing somebody really needs it over there.We started running advertisements as of two weeks ago. However, please keep in mind that internet advertising has been hurting for years, and while I hope for the best through this current campaign, advertising does not support nearly as much as people assume. Through Google AdSense we made less than $60/mo at a time when server costs were $160/mo early last year. Our operating costs have shot way up since then. We've paid a price for not accepting gold or power-leveling ads.

Per content -- we have zero necessary content restricted from public access. All of our Warcraft guides are public and free for anyone to check out whether they're registered or not. Donating also isn't the only way to get access to those forums (though writing a guide for the sake of forum privileges is strange). If you're concerned enough to post about some of the most willfully off-topic banter on this site being restricted to donors, you're being petty.

Regardless, you're welcome to spend your money how you like and you're welcome to have the opinions you want, but money is a very real necessity for this community, and I'm not going to stop impressing that fact on people.

Kazeyonoma
01-05-2009, 11:26 AM
lol, 0 mana Gothik = Kurinaxx LOL

but hell no don't replace the marmot, you just had a lovechild for gods sake... maybe put up a Kurinaxx in the bottom right/left corner... since you know... he's sneaky....and burrows...

Lore
01-05-2009, 11:30 AM
How do you know the lovechild is not from an unholy Kurinnaxx/Marmot pairing?

Kazeyonoma
01-05-2009, 11:34 AM
All the more reason to put both up somewhere.

and I just read the posts about not understanding donations.

I donate to charities and to tankspot. funny.

hbombs
01-06-2009, 11:57 AM
idk I consider it entertainment costs.. I paid 500 for a ps3 and I have probly spent only 40hours total playing it. I paid $20 bucks to help out a bit here.. and I have spent 1000's of hours on here.(sad I know) but the info here has helped me so much it was an easy choice. Now cider has to convince me to donate again lol

anyway there is no pressure to donate here. simple jokes and a reminder once and a while of the costs. its not like anyone is neglected for not donating. who are these guys to tell you how to spend your money..? that is why they dont tell you how to spend your money.

Krazen
01-06-2009, 03:21 PM
Confirmed Icecrown Citadel bosses:
Edwin Van Cleef
Kurinaxx
Those Alliance elites that path around The Barrens
Kurinaxx
Ciderhelm
Arthas

Every 10 percent, Arthas spawns a wild pack of Kurinaxx.



Great podcast, guys! :)

Freman
02-03-2009, 12:06 AM
Yes I agree You guys have out done yourselves on those Podcasts. Your Help is just to helpful. ty and lookforward to the Next Podcast in Febuary and beyond.

[Ramshackle]
02-10-2009, 11:37 AM
Since hitting 80 I've become a huge fan of TankSpot, so firstly to everyone who makes this possible you have my thanks. Podcasts. Simply a great idea. When I saw them listed I promptly went and downloaded the ones I thought would help me the most and put them on my iPod to listen to on the hour and a half trek to work. While there was a ton of great information I was a little disappointed when I realized how little time has been spent on including Death Knights into the podcasts. I'm sure that this has been mentioned at some point in the replies but I was far too lazy to scan through them all; Just as you guys have been looking for a Druid to join you on the podcast I think there should be a Death Knight in there as well. It might be a bit overkill, but I think that it would help quite a bit. Just my two cents, but I must job well done and I hope that these continue for a long time.

Fetzie
02-14-2009, 05:36 PM
The shirtless guy in AQ20 is called Lieutenant General Andorov.

Great podcast, I look forward to the next one *nudge* :D

Ciderhelm
02-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Thanks for the continued feedback. :)

Lore and I have been hard at work on movies as you've all no doubt seen. Expect a podcast in the near future. :)

wookievomit
02-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Nice to hear your next podcast is coming up soon. One thing I like about them is there informative without being too dry and a bore to listen too. This is a hard thing to accomplish especially when theorycraft topics come into play. The main reason the more popular ones like the instance avoid topics such as that.

I was thinking your next one should be a summary discussion of the great "Tanking Topic" threads that have been very well done. Hopefully one before 3.1 and another podcast post 3.1.

Alrinea
03-12-2009, 06:41 PM
any updates on this? :)