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Bloodwraith
12-16-2008, 01:48 PM
With Arena Season 5 launching on December 16, we wanted to provide some helpful information. The method in which Arena or Honor items can be purchased will be slightly different then how it was before. For Arena items, there will be 3 tiers of purchasable set items that includes pieces for the Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, and Legs as follows:

Tier 1 - Superior (blue) quality items:

* No rating requirements
* Costs Honor and Arena points
* Equivalent to heroic dungeon items


Tier 2- Epic (purple) quality items:

* Medium rating requirements
* Costs Arena points
* Equivalent to 10-person raid items


Tier 3 - Epic (purple) quality items:

* High rating requirements
* Costs Arena points
* Equivalent to 25-person raid items
* This tier will also contain Arena weapons


In addition, there will be two tiers of Honor items that includes pieces for the neck, ring, boots, belt, bracer, and trinket as follows:

Tier 1 – Epic (purple) quality items:

* Medium rating requirements
* Costs Honor points
* Equivalent to 10-person raid items


Tier 2 – Epic (purple) quality items:

* High rating requirements
* Costs Honor points
* Equivalent to 25-person raid items



Some new PvP features with WotLK:


Strand of the Ancients (Siege based battleground)


Lake Wintergrasp (World PvP Area)


Orgrimmar and Dalaran Sewers (Two new arenas)


Expansion PvP gear will be different in appearance from PvE gear.


Buffs that have 30 seconds or less remaining will be removed once the game starts. However, the mage spell “Invisibility” is not affected by this change.


Nameplates are visible across the arena, as soon as the doors open.


Future


Yes, we do have a plan to separate the matchmaking system somewhat from the point and rating requirement system. Essentially, we'd use the Elo system for points and rating requirements, but use something called a gaussian distribution filter for matchmaking (essentially an under-the-hood rating that governs matchmaking, and persists for your character regardless of changing teams, etc).

Gear


I'll do what I can to explain what our philosophy has been on the topic, for better or for worse. ;]

To address the point of not having access to any pvp gear before attempting to start arenas, I don't actually feel that's accurate. We've made a point to include easily craftable pvp gear of dungeon quality to give players a chance to get their feet in the door before moving along the upgrade path.

The Savage Gladiator set is actually of item level 200s (superior), equivalent to the item level of a heroic instance. So, in much the same way that you might expect a player to first gear up in normal mode instances and get a handful of ilevel 187s items before proceeding to the heroics, the philosophy is that in the pvp case players will get the 187s crafted pvp items before attempting endgame pvp activity.

In addition, players have access to ilevel 200e (epics) for the boots, belt, bracers, ring, neck, trinket, cape exclusively through honor (equivalent item level to end-boss heroic instances, nax 10, or items from the Emblem of Heroism vendor). These items, combined with the crafted items, provide a pretty good base of items from which a player might make an entry into the arenas.

At that stage, the number of arena points required for a player to get a piece of Savage Gladiator equipment is tuned to be pretty generous. Even at a significantly sub-1500 rating, a player can generally get about a piece of the Savage Gladiator set with the points from one week (10 games), which is generally about a time investment of less than an hour of arena play per week. This seems to stack up very competitively with how long it might take running heroic instances to get a piece of gear for your character.

As far as the question as to why the Savage Gladiator set requires arena points, there needs to be a set of gear obtainable through arena points that requires no rating, otherwise there's simply nothing for a player of 1500 or below to play for, beyond the hope that they might at some point go above 1600 rating (which not everyone is guaranteed to do).

It's certainly valid to express one's dislike for the arena play style, although is it entirely different than requiring players that love the arenas to play in the battlegrounds to get their boots, belt, bracer, rings, neck, trinkets, and cape? One could also make the argument that it's somewhat similar to the fact that we "require" all players to level-up in order to participate in end-game content, or perhaps that engaging in trade skills is "required" to be maximally competitive in raiding or pvp game play.

We’re also doing what we can to address the fact that players that don’t have high ratings can often still get steamrolled by highly rated players that are starting new teams, helping friends, etc. As I’ve described in another post, we have plans to keep a persistent “under-the-hood” rating for all characters that is used for determining matchmaking, so that even if a highly rated player starts a new team (or joins another low-rated team), the system will know what opponents that team should really be playing against.

That being said, the fact that some players feel there is too much emphasis on the arena as a method for getting powerful endgame pvp gear is heard and understood. We'd love for players to be able to get high-end gear from the battlegrounds, and it's something that will definitely factor into our plans for the future. However for now, we don't have a way to measure "skill" in a battleground in a way that getting the "best" items in the game through battlegrounds would feel equitable when compared to what is required as far as co-ordination and success in pve to get items of equivalent power.

Of course, I realize that the subject of "skill" is another topic of debate on its own, with many players citing gear quality and team comps as factors in determining the outcome (some seem to go as far as to imply that it's all that matters). Clearly, those factors do influence the outcome, but not in a way that makes skill irrelevant. If that were the case, it wouldn't be very hard to step onto the stage with some of the pro-gamers in the tournament and take them down in a match of even gear and comps. However, I can assure you that while I consider myself (for example) a pretty respectable player when it comes to arenas, I and a pair of similarly skilled teammates probably wouldn't win more than 1 in every 100 games against the top players despite using identical gear and comps. Like it or not, that's skill.

That aside, it is important for me to point out that the arenas were never really meant to become quite as much of a focal point for the overall pvp game as they have (part of why we set the system up so players could get the full benefit from the system with only 10 total games per week), it's more of a natural consequence of the fact that because we have a way to measure success that feels reasonably balanced against pve, we're able to put high-end items there, which on its own creates the focus of importance. I'd venture to say that if there were no item rewards in the arena system, they wouldn't be quite the subject of debate that they are now (either with respect to overshadowing battlegrounds or with respect to the microscope that class balance gets put under as a result)."

Arena Gear (S5)
There are three sets:


Savage Gladiator (Blue)
Hateful Gladiator (Epic)
Deadly Gladiator (Higher Epic)

A short description of their costs are described in the blizzard post at the top of the thread.

Costs


PvP Gear in WoTLK - Where to get it and how much - Arena Junkies Forums (http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=49943)

Links


Arenajunkies compiled a list of class representation as gladiator's in all four previous seasons- BC Gladiator Breakdown by Class - Arena Junkies Forums (http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=53338)

Arenajunkies also released their updated talent section- Talents - Arena Junkies (http://www.arenajunkies.com/talents/)

Krenian
12-16-2008, 01:49 PM
More souls are required for my Death Knight. Hur Hur.

Bloodwraith
12-17-2008, 01:56 PM
I just noticed this edit at the bottom of the blue post:


Clarification 17/12: there are no Arena weapons available for Tier 1 and Tier 2. This is intended, and not a bug or oversight.

This is kinda annoying. I guess I'll go back to grind heroic HoL for the axe there.

Pizzashark
12-17-2008, 04:29 PM
The Titansteel crafted weapons look pretty good.

Ukyo
12-17-2008, 05:04 PM
Too bad there's no Titansteel 2H Axe 8(

Bloodwraith
12-17-2008, 05:04 PM
The Titansteel crafted weapons look pretty good.

Maces ftl :(

Kazeyonoma
12-18-2008, 02:07 AM
;(

Pizzashark
12-18-2008, 08:06 AM
Heh, hammers are cooler than silly edged weapons anyway. Why cut when you can crush?

ttocs
12-18-2008, 08:15 AM
At this rate, I'll be re-runeforging my Inevitable Defeat for arenas this weekend.

Jokke
12-18-2008, 10:56 AM
I'm using Titansteel Destroyer atm, due the lack op drops in Naxxramas :]
But Mace spec ain't a bad thing, compared to Sword spec.

Bloodwraith
12-18-2008, 07:05 PM
I looked over World of Warcraft Arena Ranking | SK Gaming (http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/) and this is what I found for most popular arena comps with an arms warrior:

S5 Comps

As of Dec. 26th

2v2


Arms Warrior/ Holy Paladin


3v3


Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Holy Paladin

Arms Warrior/ Ret Paladin/ Resto Shaman


5v5


Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Holy Paladin/ MutiPrep Rogue/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Holy Paladin/ Ret Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Balance Druid/ Holy Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Feral Druid/ Ret Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Frost Mage/ Ret Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Frost Mage/ Holy Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Arms Warrior/ Unholy Death Knight/ Arcane Mage/ Holy Paladin/ Resto Shaman

Bloodwraith
12-20-2008, 08:10 PM
This seems to be the cookie cutter PvP Arms spec right now(for anyone who was wondering):

54/17/0 -Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LcbIdfht0fMRcsRtGx0sob)

PrimeTime
12-21-2008, 09:26 AM
So has anyone tried out any arena combos featuring a prot warrior ?

Bloodwraith
01-14-2009, 05:55 AM
More blues today:


Arena Point Cap

We understand the problem and will likely bump the cap. Look for an announcement soon.

Concerted Efforts Change

Concerted Efforts should include 1 of all BG marks, not just 4/5. Meaning, you turn in 1 of AV, AB, EOTS, WSG, SOTA marks

We plan to do this in a future patch.

Alterac Valley Honor Rewards

We'll have to wait and see if we feel it's necessary to increase the amount of honor earned or add these levels of items.

Beardly
01-14-2009, 10:36 AM
personally i think that there should be hateful weps, its really annoying to have to wait with decent at best pve weps with wierd stats on them until deadly...if that time even comes lol. its like how they had all four types of weps in bc (glad, merc, venge, and brut eventually)...it definitely provided something to work towards. now its almost like reaching for something impossible /sadface

oh well, i guess ill just go for my maly polearm and make all the hunters cry. ^.^

Chisgule
01-14-2009, 05:02 PM
So has anyone tried out any arena combos featuring a prot warrior ?

I played holy pal prot war up to 1750ish and got completely frustrated with it. We were losing to teams that were absolute scrubs purely because I could not crank out enough dps nor could I effectively peel for my paladin (I was in all epic str/SBV and crit gear, dpsy prot spec etc.). That said, any team dumb enough to waste time attacking me was easily defeated. The downside is that most teams figured out very quickly that I should be ignored. I switched to a fury/prot hybrid, which is more interesting. However, given that fury is getting buffed like crazy, and that a blue effectively posted that the entire fury tree is balanced around TG, I plan on switching to full fury after the next patch.

I suspect that 2 dps is the way to roll with a prot warrior.

Bloodwraith
01-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Devs started doing a thread linking back to their replies for the month: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Developer Posts- January '09 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318904208&sid=1)

Arena Class Discussion (Flagged for good discussion)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Full Arena Class Analysis 01-05-09 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133217540&pageNo=7&sid=1#131)

Titan's Grip
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Ghostcrawler: Removing TG Hit is NOT a Buff (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287189468&pageNo=2&sid=1#35)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Ghostcrawler: Removing TG Hit is NOT a Buff (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287189468&sid=1&pageNo=3#48)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Are the devs going "oops" with Titan's Grip? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318773385&pageNo=4&sid=1#60)

Druid Faerie Fire
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Improved Faerie Fire (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133419591&pageNo=3&sid=1#51)

New Dispel Mechanic Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> New Dispel Resistance mechanic (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287249116&pageNo=1&sid=1#0)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> New Dispel Resistance mechanic (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287249116&sid=1&pageNo=3#58)

DPS, Dual Spec, and Class Stacking Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> The downfall of the DPS class. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133096872&pageNo=1&sid=1#17)

Exotic Pet Damage on the PTR
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&pageNo=1&sid=1#3)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=2#30)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=5#89)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=7#130)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=9#172)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=10#189)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=11#206)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Exotic Pet damage and PTR (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093176&sid=1&pageNo=12#232)

Hunter Pet Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Hunter Pets Still A Pain... (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287259458&pageNo=2&sid=1#21)

Warlocks and Demonology
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC, why does Demo have to wait? :( (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318771763&pageNo=1&sid=1#3)

Warlock Changes Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> A clarification on Warlock buffs. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318914384&pageNo=1&sid=1#9)

Instance Saving
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC - Instance saving (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287209175&pageNo=1&sid=1#2)

Death Knight Dual Wield Changes
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Attempt to nerf DW failed pretty bad. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287209606&pageNo=1&sid=1#8)

Rogue Changes
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Why? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14132918089&pageNo=1&sid=1#6)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Why? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14132918089&sid=1&pageNo=5#81)

Deep Wounds Possible Change
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Why nerf Deep Wounds? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287349231&pageNo=1&sid=1#4)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Why nerf Deep Wounds? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287349231&sid=1&pageNo=10#193)

Death Knight Ghouls in Arena (turning into one on death)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> DKs Turning in ghouls in arena. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14274817767&pageNo=1&sid=1#11)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> DKs Turning in ghouls in arena. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14274817767&sid=1&pageNo=2#29)

Chaos Bolt
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Chaos Bolt haters do not post (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133099530&pageNo=1&sid=1#3)

Dual Speccing
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Dual Speccing? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287248675&pageNo=1&sid=1#5)

Engineering
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Frustrated with WoW, PTR, and Engineering (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287259092&pageNo=1&sid=1#11)

T7 Feral Druid Gear
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Where is the T7 feral DPS gear? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287209768&pageNo=2&sid=1#21)

Glyph of Conflagrate
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Glyph of Conflagrate (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287249118&pageNo=1&sid=1#4)

Paladins wanting a Mortal debuff
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC . pally MS? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093667&pageNo=1&sid=1#9)

RNG and Arms PvP
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: RNG and Arms PvP (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287259686&pageNo=1&sid=1#2)

Mana Burn Change
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Manaburn change makes no sense (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287208658&pageNo=1&sid=1#18)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Manaburn change makes no sense (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287208658&sid=1&pageNo=8#158)

Sudden Death Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Suggestion to compensate the SD nerf (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287189451&pageNo=2&sid=1#26)
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [Sudden Death] ... FAIL (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14287219036&pageNo=1&sid=1#8)

Rated Battleground Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> How would YOU do rated BATTLEGROUNDS??? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133729483&pageNo=3&sid=1#50)

Mandatory Talent Discussion
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> What's so wrong with mandatory talents? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14318914393&pageNo=1&sid=1#3)