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Lore
09-18-2008, 12:14 PM
Only a couple things worth mentioning, so I will be brief.

Improved Devotion Aura - Healing bonus increased to 2/4/6% (from 1/2/3%). A nice little bit of extra
Hammer of the Righteous - Tooltip clarified; it now deals 3 times the weapon's DPS as Holy damage. We knew it had been normalized around weapon DPS already, but it's nice to know the exact formula it's using.
New Glyph: Glyph of Spiritual Attunement - Increases the amount of mana gained from Spiritual Attunement by an additional 2%. The way it's worded it sounds as though this causes SA to return 12% of all healing taken as mana total, making it twice as effective as the T6 two piece bonus. Quite powerful if this is the case, as it's then effectively a 20% increase in mana gained. If, however, the extra 2% is multiplicative (making SA a return of 10.2% healing as mana), then it's not as exciting.


Not a lot on the Protection Paladin front this build. Fortunately there's still plenty of time before release to see some more updates. We've still got those "1-2 fun talents" to look forward to in deep Protection, and hopefully some of our less useful talents (such as Reckoning) can see some love as well.

Also, as a reminder, we're looking to get some Naxxramas runs going on Beta. See Cider's post directly below this one for details.

Dots
09-18-2008, 12:37 PM
Don't forget to mention that BoSanct now really does give 10 rage / 20 runic power on dodge/parry/block. Can't really say I'm totally happy about it.

Lore
09-18-2008, 12:49 PM
That change seems more like a bug to me, since the tooltip now states 100/200. I'm holding off judgment until the tooltip matches the functionality.

Dots
09-18-2008, 01:02 PM
It did a 10th of what the tooltip stated before, and it still does now. Probably because the tooltip is indeed bugged, it states the internal value, which is what we see in game x10. I doub't they just changed it for fun.

Dots
09-18-2008, 01:03 PM
PS: really hate that you can't edit typos in this forum. :(

protonly
09-18-2008, 01:28 PM
The change/buff to imp devo is very nice. I would think that alone guarantees a prot pally a raid spot -- 6% is HUGE.

I'm curious what these fun talents are going to be. I always felt that the Avenger's Shield was the *coolest* ability in the game so they're going to have to really hit one out of the park to top that one in terms of fun/cool.

veneretio
09-18-2008, 01:34 PM
The change/buff to imp devo is very nice. I would think that alone guarantees a prot pally a raid spot -- 6% is HUGE.

Unless of course you already have a tree druid...

Dots
09-18-2008, 01:39 PM
Unless of course you already have a tree druid...

Imp Devo is also the highest static AC buff currently in the game, Stoneskin Totem is a bit behind.

protonly
09-18-2008, 01:55 PM
+armor and +healing == weeee!

I've always felt redoubt and reckoning were pretty much "useless" talents in TBC and with the new talents they're even less appealing. I'd like to see them totaly reworked or just removed for something new (better).

Also, this is just a peeve of mine, either move kings to baseline or make it one talent. I don't know if 5 pts in kings will be standard with the cookie cutter prot builds that will come, but from a holy perspective I can do so much better with putting points into ret (52/0/18 with one left over point).

Xav
09-18-2008, 02:18 PM
Don't forget to mention that BoSanct now really does give 10 rage / 20 runic power on dodge/parry/block. Can't really say I'm totally happy about it.

What the fuck, there's no possible way that can really be intended or they're clueless. That's easily like the best tanking talent in all 4-5 tanking trees amongst all the tanking classes, combined.

Alent
09-18-2008, 02:31 PM
+armor and +healing == weeee!

I've always felt redoubt and reckoning were pretty much "useless" talents in TBC and with the new talents they're even less appealing. I'd like to see them totaly reworked or just removed for something new (better).

Also, this is just a peeve of mine, either move kings to baseline or make it one talent. I don't know if 5 pts in kings will be standard with the cookie cutter prot builds that will come, but from a holy perspective I can do so much better with putting points into ret (52/0/18 with one left over point).

Redoubt isn't avoidable. It's only 3 points, gives us +30% SBV and I'm not sure you can make it down the prot tree without it. I have no qualms with 3 points for 30% SBV and the random block proc is more like a "working as intended" glitch than it is an actual part of the talent for me.

However, 5 point kings ain't flyin'. I don't have the point to spare for the base version, let alone all 5 points for improved.

veneretio
09-18-2008, 02:42 PM
What the fuck, there's no possible way that can really be intended or they're clueless. That's easily like the best tanking talent in all 4-5 tanking trees amongst all the tanking classes, combined.
Ya, it really only makes sense granting 1 rage on dodge/parry/block.

protonly
09-18-2008, 07:24 PM
Redoubt isn't avoidable. It's only 3 points, gives us +30% SBV and I'm not sure you can make it down the prot tree without it. I have no qualms with 3 points for 30% SBV and the random block proc is more like a "working as intended" glitch than it is an actual part of the talent for me.

However, 5 point kings ain't flyin'. I don't have the point to spare for the base version, let alone all 5 points for improved.

That's about the best way to describe redoubt. The extra block value is great but it would almost be better if you just got say 5% to block flat out.

And yes they're making it hard to spec for kings. I think the days of "bitch speccing for kings" have returned.

Lore
09-18-2008, 07:41 PM
The extra block value is the entire point of the new Redoubt. 30% extra block value is not only a bunch of mitigation, it's also 30% more ShoR damage.

protonly
09-18-2008, 10:00 PM
The extra block value is the entire point of the new Redoubt. 30% extra block value is not only a bunch of mitigation, it's also 30% more ShoR damage.

But it is still PROC based as to when the extra chance to block kicks in (block value is a flat constant). Always hated having that talent and not being able to include it in "crush calculations" ....

Galushi
09-19-2008, 06:34 AM
I coulda sworn i read somewhere that Reckoning was gonna proc on Blocks, making it a lot more worthwhile. I wish i could provide a Source, but it was at least a week ago and i have no idea where to look again. lol

And i agree, the point of redoubt is the block value for mitigation and SotR dmg. The random block % proc is just a bonus.

Muggs
09-19-2008, 06:45 AM
I coulda sworn i read somewhere that Reckoning was gonna proc on Blocks, making it a lot more worthwhile. I wish i could provide a Source, but it was at least a week ago and i have no idea where to look again. lol

And i agree, the point of redoubt is the block value for mitigation and SotR dmg. The random block % proc is just a bonus.

I that was written in the 5 point reckoning tooltip, Gal.

jere
09-19-2008, 07:07 AM
I coulda sworn i read somewhere that Reckoning was gonna proc on Blocks, making it a lot more worthwhile. I wish i could provide a Source, but it was at least a week ago and i have no idea where to look again. lol


For raiding that really won't be much different. In its current form, reckoning procs off of partial blocks and you almost never see a full block from a boss attack. Granted I like reckoning a lot, but right now SoV scales better than SoR, so that also makes the talent less appealing as SoV won't really get any tangible benefit from reckoning in the long term.

Rothguard
09-20-2008, 12:15 AM
What i dont think some people are understanding is that this is not the same Reboudt as curent live. it is a 3 point talent that gives 30 SBV strait up, AND 30 on proc. the old was a 5 point talnt for only 30 on proc, leading to Sheild Specilization, a 3 point talent giveing 30 SBV. basicly is Sheild Specilization with Reboudt thrown in for free. ill take that. its a compleat must to prot.


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Divinestorm
09-25-2008, 07:08 PM
And for Judgement of the justs, will it work on boss (wich i doubt), or only trash?