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Gorgrim Warcry
07-21-2008, 12:58 PM
With all the attention fury is getting with titans grip I am left wondering where the arms spec will stand in the expansion. Despite the fact they making it even harder to get a 2 handers by giving the fury tree titans grip, something I believe belongs in the arms tree since 2 handers have been the weapon of choice for arms since the game began.

Will it still be a viable PvE Raiding spec or will my favored spec be relegated to pvp only?

Whats up with putting DW back in the Fury tree, christ make up your mind already blizz ?!

What do you think about the new talents? What will arms need to be a more viable pve spec?

Lets see some talent builds, PvE and PvP alike. Can't access the site from work so I'll let you guys do the honors.

ebs2002
07-21-2008, 02:09 PM
As long as fury can't get blood frenzy, there's a spot for at least one arms warrior in any 25man with at least 4 melee DPS.

I was looking to get a build that had death wish and imp slam, and get the extra attack power bonus from their 45pt talents, but it just doesn't look good to me:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LVhIzAio0czibohVx0V0go)

I then instead went for flurry, and came up with Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LMhIkAio0czibZVx0VzgRc) (the last point i spent in Imp Execute may be better in endless rage, but I'm not sure how well sudden death will be for pve). It's still not good, though.

I do think that trauma will increase the dps increase that blood frenzy gives, so it's definitely worth picking that up.

We need more data on how the higher-end arms skills work in PvE before we can come up with an effective build, though.

Cayleb
07-23-2008, 01:14 PM
The fact that they're re-adjusting Windfury to provide a static melee haste bonus instead of the free attack +AP worries me a little when it comes to 'DPS' as PvE Arms. I understand it's primarily utility for Blood Frenzy and WF isn't "necessary", but it'll certainly make it a little harder to weave Slams in between auto-attacks with the change. At least, that was just the initial feeling I got from it.

Kazeyonoma
07-23-2008, 02:36 PM
This is what I was thinking as my PvP spec, and part of it is that it doubles for PvE as well, (of course it's not as optimal but you could move a few points around in the arms tree like imp intercept and imp hamstring elsewhere).
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LVhhdIioMhdbbZVxzm0gRVZ0o)

Crimsonstorm
07-23-2008, 02:53 PM
32/39 (dual wield) should be the top raid dps spec (taking Bloodthirst and not MS, since they share a cooldown). Titan's grip is bad (not enough of a dps increase to be worth it), and the new top of the arms tree is not helpful for pve.

25/46 dual wield 1Hers is probably the top personal dps, and has more threat reduction.

Kazeyonoma
07-23-2008, 03:02 PM
32/39 (dual wield) should be the top raid dps spec (taking Bloodthirst and not MS, since they share a cooldown). Titan's grip is bad (not enough of a dps increase to be worth it), and the new top of the arms tree is not helpful for pve.

25/46 dual wield 1Hers is probably the top personal dps, and has more threat reduction.

Interesting take

so you're suggesting something like:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LmhIzAio000bZVx0VxxRVuoo) ?

I just don't see the lack of 8% ap being as beneficial, I think having a slam rotating warrior would be better off than this strange hybrid but you may be right, dual wield is probably better.

shiz98
07-23-2008, 05:16 PM
BF is 4% personal DPS (to say nothing of the raid gain), which is a lot better than 4% more AP. Axe spec alone is a 5% dps increase, which is definitely more than titan's grip has to offer.

I see two possible 2H specs. You've got your traditional slam based spec 41/30 (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0fdAio0czfboZVV0V0gRV). May or may not work well depending on WF, but Endless Rage is sure to help a bit.

A more questionable build might be 51/17/3 (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LmhcdAio0czirotVV0VMZ0h). Rend, MS, WW, overpower, mocking blow as CD's allow, tossing in executes as rage permits (the less rage you blow on one, the better).

Kazeyonoma
07-23-2008, 05:20 PM
true, totally forgot about the BF 4% that adds to your personal dps too. i stand corrected.

ebs2002
07-24-2008, 08:25 AM
That 41/30 spec skipped over bloodletting? That's going to be a staple talent for all warriors, I'm imagining (I suspect bloodbath will be in the normal rotation)

shiz98
07-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Oh yeah! I was actually meant to put that in there. Old habit, skipping Improved Rend, I guess. Bloodletting is great stuff with the improvements Rend is getting.

Edit:
Actually no, I do remember why that wasn't in there. Given that you get a free GCD every 11 seconds or so with a slam rotation, you won't be using Bloodbath all that much. Between Battle Shout, Demo Shout, Death Wish, and Mocking Blow, you're only going to be using it 6 times every 2 minutes, at the most. The bleed from that works out to about 13 DPS, so Bloodletting gives you 10 DPS for three points. Depending on what you're doing, that won't be worth it (it wasn't in my case - I went for Deflection for more PvP/OT viability).