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CyCy
07-16-2008, 02:50 PM
I am approaching a serious dilemma. I have been in a casual guild for a very long time....great people and immeasureable help when leveling my now defunct 70 hunter. Leveling this current alt I have jumped between toons to run low lvl instances SM cath in 18 mins lol. However my goal on this toon is to end up a MT for endgame raids 10 mans mostly as work schedule tends to get a little funky.

I have a great time playing with most people in our guild and I dont plan on moving my 70 but we are turning into an alt leveling and grab a guildie for a 5 man instance to fill a group type guild. I was like the 4th member to hit 70 and we now have about 20 and another 20 soon to be 70.

The problem is it's always gonna be a just for fun type guild. I was hoping for an opinion on when or if I should leave with this toon IM at 60 now soon to be 61 and will surely make 70 in the next 2 weeks.

Can a Tank make it alone w/o a raiding guild in endgame or should I wait for Wotlk and level with my old guildmates? My main concern is gonna be gear. Has anyone heard if all the arena and bg or T1-T6 gear is gonna go obsolete like all the 60 epics did when BC came out. Cause if that's the case I can simply run heroics til the expansion.

Any thoughts on this I appreciate. :confused:

Krashtork
07-16-2008, 02:53 PM
Lvl 70 gear will probably be obsolete in WoTLK.

Alent
07-16-2008, 02:55 PM
Make a 10 man group and have fun in ZA and persue the 10 man raid progression in Wrath.

25 mans in BC are really nice and with a good raid group can be a joy... but I honestly don't think it's worth the trouble at this point if you don't find something relatively easily.

FYI, the level 65 dungeon blues in the F&F Alpha screens seem to be roughly T4~T5 to my eyes, but that is subject to change and interpretation.

Andenthal
07-18-2008, 04:50 PM
Can a Tank make it alone w/o a raiding guild in endgame or should I wait for Wotlk and level with my old guildmates?

Without a guild you can get all the 5 man gear in the world. (Mostly blues with assorted epics) Going beyond that really requires a dedicated group of individuals. Some might say something about PUG Karazhan runs - but I'm not a fan of those. And those - at least on my server - are few and far between.

Decide what your ultimate goals are. If you truely desire to raid as a tank - you may have to find another guild. If you really want to play with your friends - maybe tanking is not a good idea.

jfalcon
07-21-2008, 07:18 AM
I believe you should stay wih your friends. Don't be drawn out by the lure of shinny purples which will be worthless in a few months time. I have played this game for a long time and I willl tell you that setting out on your own when you have a home and friends that care about you in your guild is foolish especially so close to the expansion!

Sit down talk to your friends and set soem goals you can all agree on for WOTLK, and remember all content is going to be reachable by 10mans! YEAH!

CyCy
07-21-2008, 07:50 AM
After this weekend I have firmly made the decision...............I am not leaving my guild. One of our lvl 60 alts a lock needed help gettin his epic mount and we ALL helped him running strat for the shards making his shadow pots etc etc.

Where as we aren't a great raid guild I realized everyone is willing to help each other and that was what drew me to the guild when it was formed. So I am gonna lvl my alts help my friends and wait for the lvl 71 greens that blow away t6 gear when wotlk comes out.

Ty for the input

Creampuf
07-21-2008, 08:01 AM
I was in the same boat, and I had a long talk in guild chat expressing my feelings in detail. I explained that I really loved playing in the guild, but that the direction and focus of the guild was not what I wanted out of my level 70 toon.

The result for me was great. My 70s are in a raiding guild where I do all the raiding I want. My under-70 alts are in the casual guild. I bring my 70s over to help the casual guild, and they still help my low-level toons.

And, being able to hide from the raid guild while on an alt is a blessing as well. When I want to level my alts, and not worry about doing the high end game, I can. Unlike the alts of the other players, who are constantly badgered with requests to flip to a main and provide a needed class to some event, I can come on and play and alt and not worry about what is happening in the world of my main.

The guild officers of both guilds know what I'm doing and both are supportive of it.

I have maintained my friendships, and I've made new ones. I'm getting what I want out of raiding, and I'm having fun in a casual group.

You can have your cake and eat it too -- but you have to be willing to have frank, open discussions with all the involved parties, and you have to say what you need to say tactfully and keep it focused. It isn't about, for example, if the casual guild is good bad or indifferent. It's about what you want out of your game experience.

So, for me, I started out saying I loved the casual guild, and that I really approve of their focus and perspective. I didn't then follow up with "but ..." (which is a polite way of saying "please ignore all I said before .."

Rather I went on with something like : "For my part I want to remain a part of this guild with the majority of my character specifically because I love it here. I wish to move my main to a raiding guild though as I also want to raid. I know raiding is not going to be the focus here, and that's the reason I want to keep my other toons here. I need the support and friendship this guild provides. I don't want to create hurt feelings though, and I am hoping i can get your support to move my main. I'm want to do this not because I have anything at all against this guild. I want to do it simply so I can raid, which is something I want to do as well.

I answered questions. I was open adn honest. And in the end, everything worked out great.

Krashtork
07-22-2008, 10:01 AM
Cream, that sounds like something out of a fairy tail lol. Congrats to you for pulling off one of the hardest things to do in this game: Swap guilds and not burn bridges. I'll definitely remember the way you put things.

Turelliax
07-22-2008, 12:44 PM
Wow.. i am so glad I found this thread.. I am in that boat right now. I love my current guild.. but We are attempting to get through Kara and it isn't going so well. I am the MT right now.. (and only one of two tanks) and we have 3 healers now... and I love my guild.. I love my friends in it.. but I really want to progress with gear.Although I also don't wantot be stuck in a guild where If I can't show up for a Raid (really weekends are the only good time for me)or real life happens I get booted. so essentially I am sort of in a Pickle... also since I have become the impromptu Raid Leader for Kara and become the one to organize who gets to go and what not. A job i took on because a) I am the Tank and b) because no one else was getting us organized. I also think it's the reason many think I am the Guild Leader of Legends of Doom. I have expressed my feelings to 3 of my friends in the guild.. and plenty of my friends outside of the guild.. but I keep saying.. "I want to give them one more chance". I also don't have any alts that are even close to 70 yet. I do think it is an honest and hard thing to deal with.

Brucimus
07-22-2008, 03:24 PM
Make a 10 man group and have fun in ZA and persue the 10 man raid progression in Wrath.

This is my plan...

Having fun together > Big Raiding Guild. I thank Blizz for giving us this choice for WotLK

Krashtork
07-23-2008, 09:56 AM
Having fun together > Big Raiding Guild. I thank Blizz for giving us this choice for WotLK


Cause you know 25 man guilds are just SOooo huge compared to when 40 mans were the in thing to do.

Who ever said you can't be in a 25 man and still have fun together?

My guess is that you're in a small guild and are too socially paraniod to go run with another guild.

In my experience, small guilds lead to clique-ish social paranioa of other players and cultivate a "people in big guilds are jerk off players and we can't have fun with them" attitude.

I am seriously pissed at Blizzard for contually catering to the "i'm too lazy to get 25 people together to raid" crowd.

Look, if you can get 10 online for a raid, you can get 25. Same principles apply.

kawika
07-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Cause you know 25 man guilds are just SOooo huge compared to when 40 mans were the in thing to do.

Who ever said you can't be in a 25 man and still have fun together?

My guess is that you're in a small guild and are too socially paraniod to go run with another guild.

In my experience, small guilds lead to clique-ish social paranioa of other players and cultivate a "people in big guilds are jerk off players and we can't have fun with them" attitude.

I am seriously pissed at Blizzard for contually catering to the "i'm too lazy to get 25 people together to raid" crowd.

Look, if you can get 10 online for a raid, you can get 25. Same principles apply.

I agree with you here in that i do know of pretty tight raid guilds that interact well among each other.

I also agree with your assessment of clique-ish social paranoia, as it's a perception of the individual who thinks they see a clique. The thing one needs to understand is that cliques exist in both small and large guilds, generally speaking. It's more apparent (whether it's real or percieved) in smaller guilds because....well.....the guild is small so it's more noticeable.

I don't agree with your comparison of a 10 versus a 25 man raid. The factors that move a player (or a group of players) towards one or the other are very different.

Finelle
07-24-2008, 11:11 AM
Cause you know 25 man guilds are just SOooo huge compared to when 40 mans were the in thing to do.

Who ever said you can't be in a 25 man and still have fun together?

My guess is that you're in a small guild and are too socially paraniod to go run with another guild.

In my experience, small guilds lead to clique-ish social paranioa of other players and cultivate a "people in big guilds are jerk off players and we can't have fun with them" attitude.

I am seriously pissed at Blizzard for contually catering to the "i'm too lazy to get 25 people together to raid" crowd.

Look, if you can get 10 online for a raid, you can get 25. Same principles apply.

The sweeping statements are strong in this one...

For your info, no, I like the closer knit 10mans. I've raided in both.


""people in big guilds are jerk off players and we can't have fun with them" attitude."

and


"My guess is that you're in a small guild and are too socially paraniod to go run with another guild."
"I am seriously pissed at Blizzard for contually catering to the "i'm too lazy to get 25 people together to raid" crowd."

Irony? Because you know, it's impossible for there to be this thing called fun except in a 25man raid guild?


Look, if you can get 10 online for a raid, you can get 25. Same principles apply.

Are you being remotely serious?

Valley
07-26-2008, 01:02 AM
So I am gonna lvl my alts help my friends and wait for the lvl 71 greens that blow away t6 gear when wotlk comes out.


Clearly you are either drunk or have no recollection to how it worked in bc.

Between set bonus(s) and sockets your t6 gear is going to last you till 78ish. Your lvl 71 greens will probably replace your welfare epics. your earned epics, not so much.

CyCy
07-26-2008, 07:14 AM
Rofl .........actually I just remember about two weeks after BC came out gettin laughed outta the 60 AV's for showing up in my Field Marshall's set and my Argent Dawn gear I had worked relentlessly on gettin. And I am sure after a few months of WoTLK is out Blizz is gonna do what they did with BC.....
i.e. lvling from 40-60 progression easier. Mounts at 30. Soon REP will no longer play a factor in earning heroic dungeon keys. Whens the last time you heard a someone trying to grind the lvl 60 raids?

End game becomes Skip game. Because whereas your t6 gear will certainly carry you to 78 Do you really think you'll hit 70 and have to stop and do 5 seasons on arenas endless kara runs and heroics out the ass to be geared enough to do the new 5 mans?

Think about it..........when lvling an alt would you stop at 60 and grind exalted with the old world factions run Oxynia to gear up so you can go do Hellfire Penninsula. Or do you go a fast as you can do the first 10 quests in hellfire replace most of your blues greens and get a friend thats a 70 to run you a couple times in ramps and BF.

So clearly I am drunk...........and I am drinking cause yet again I spent months....albeit years now grinding to get where I am at and within two weeks after release there will be lvl 80 deathknights walking around............you know it will happen.

So to reitirate whereas lvl 71 greens won't be as awe inspiring as our t6 gear it certainly isn't gonna prevent anyone from gettin to 80 and whatever new epics blizz dreams up.

Krashtork
07-27-2008, 05:33 AM
Are you being remotely serious?

Yes, yes I am.

-- To get 10 people on at once, you need 10 or more people who can commit to being on at a given time.

-- To get 25 people on at once, you need 25 or more people who can commit to being on at a given time.

The trick is finding the people. I'm guessing with the what, 4-8 million subscribers to this game, finding 24 other people who's schedules match with yours cannot be that difficult.


Now i'm being general here, but If small guilds could get over their social paranoia and work together, 2 guilds with common interests could become 1 guild and make 25 mans happen fairly easily.

Been there, done it.

Manginae
07-31-2008, 12:41 PM
Lol cream i wish i was that sure of what my guild would say if i lefta although ive bin wanting to join a guild with some RL friends that is in higher content so i dont have to be in a bind tryn to get a kara run in for gear while some of the older guild members get the spot for badges

Krashtork
07-31-2008, 02:03 PM
Mangry, if your guild got angry at you if you left the way cream posted to, then they're not worth your time. Honestly, it would take a prick and a half to get upset over that when it's put that way.

Manginae
08-02-2008, 05:31 PM
Not that i would think they would be angry, just if i didnt like the other guild, idk if i could get back into the one i know i like. i enjoy mine but the other one has some people i know in Rl. I mean i dont want to join a guild start to like it do runs and get kara gear ect then leave its like slappping them across the face and saying thanks for the gear gotta go.:(

salihe
08-09-2008, 08:49 PM
Clearly you are either drunk or have no recollection to how it worked in bc.

Between set bonus(s) and sockets your t6 gear is going to last you till 78ish. Your lvl 71 greens will probably replace your welfare epics. your earned epics, not so much.

Hehe, damn, someone beat me to it. That's the exact same thing I was going to say...:rolleyes:

Foolishness
08-13-2008, 08:39 PM
if your friends are not keen enough to push even kara, then they will probably be slack in WotLK as well. Theres plenty of dedicated guilds with nice people in them. I left a great group of people on my first server, and joined a raiding guild, and met some people who are just as nice.

Farothin
10-01-2008, 07:44 AM
Yes, yes I am.

-- To get 10 people on at once, you need 10 or more people who can commit to being on at a given time.

-- To get 25 people on at once, you need 25 or more people who can commit to being on at a given time.

The trick is finding the people. I'm guessing with the what, 4-8 million subscribers to this game, finding 24 other people who's schedules match with yours cannot be that difficult.


Now i'm being general here, but If small guilds could get over their social paranoia and work together, 2 guilds with common interests could become 1 guild and make 25 mans happen fairly easily.

Been there, done it.

My experience does not match yours. Finding an extra 15 people with a schedule that matches yours is the easy part. You forget about things like: the ability to play their class and the ability to work with others, or even having the kind of personality that you'd want to spend more than 15 seconds around. We've done guild alliances, some of them turned out alright, others fizzled, others were nothing but sources of frustration. If it's so easy why doesn't every guild that wants to run 25 man content do so? Check the various guild recruitment forums, they are full of 'clearing kara wanting to break into 25 man content' posts. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, it's probably not as hard as many people fear. Neither is it as simple as you seem to be implying it is.

For me, being around people I like to be around is 100x more important than the ilevel of the gear I'm looting. I really do want to see as many different bosses fall dead at my feet as I can, but I want to have fun doing it. I want to be able to converse at the level I want to on vent and not have to worry about Mr. downloading porn in the background trading infantile barbs with someone over the size of their pecker while we distribute loot. (yes this was a real game experience one night I joined a guild in MH) Yeah, my guild is just now progressing in ZA and never put a serious raid into T5 but I wouldn't trade the people I play with for all the epics in SWP. Will this change in LK? Perhaps. When BC released only 2-3 of our members had ever set foot in a raid instance and seen things killed. Now almost every member has seen gruul killed and many of them have some experience in T5/T6 as well. Only time will tell and I look forward to the experience.

CyCy
11-04-2008, 10:48 AM
Well the guild I was in made my mind up for me. A player that left like 5 times was brought back a 6th time w/o an officer vote. I stated if he started shit I would be booting him personally. Well the GM w/o a vote booted me and everyone left the guild after that.

I joined a great raid guild and use my firends list and have seen more content in a month then I saw in six. Looking forward to the new raids in Wotlk.

Stegho
11-04-2008, 10:58 AM
Having fun together in a big raiding guild > having fun together in Kara for two years.

It is possible, you know.