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Bloodwraith
07-09-2008, 05:19 AM
12,264 Health, 413 Resil, 1752 ap, 86 hit, 34.71 Crit, and 308 armor pen are my PvP stats Currently

What are you guys sitting around?

Here is my armory The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Korgath&n=Bloodwraith)

Ignore ratings (Can't find a druid,WRD, or 2345 team to save my life =\\) the teams are just for points.

Kazeyonoma
07-09-2008, 09:16 AM
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Akama&n=Kazeyonoma)

12,543 hp
393 resil
1780 ap
83 hit
35.20% crit
574 armor pen + executioner

ratings are kinda meh right now, still working it out, my 2s is with a good resto shaman, went on a 14-0 streak last week before running into warlock/druid combos putting us at 19-7

3v3s are pretty solid team, but we couldn't meet up last week, RL, Work, etc, kept us from logging on at the same time together, but this week we should get back into the swing of things. probably break 1850 this weekend.

ebs2002
07-09-2008, 09:20 AM
I don't have my pvp gear on right now, but I know I don't run with that much resil as a conscious choice...in 5v5 I'm not usually targeted, and in 2v2/3v3 as a sword spec I go for burst rather than survivability.

I run with like 336resil, and swapped in a few +dps items (Bulwark of the Ancient Kings over S3 chest, angelista's revenge over S2 ring, that sorta thing). However, my ratings are pretty close to yours, so I'm not exactly the best person to listen to :p

One thing I noticed on your gear, though: you neglected the 10crit, 5crit/10ap, and 20ap honor gem purchases. That would give you a slight boost in stats.

Kazeyonoma
07-09-2008, 09:23 AM
I'm the worst farmer in all of gaming, and i'm surprised I have as much guardian gear as I do now, if i had the spare honor i'd grab those gems, but I never had, and probably never will have an extra 30k honor to dump on 3 gems =P

ebs2002
07-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Bah, don't be so melodramatic, it's like 27k for 6ap and 3crit (or if you're replacing 4str/4crit with 10crit, it's -2ap and +7crit). That's not much different than going from S3 to S4 throwing, and that's more than a week of arena points farming!

amirite? :p

Kazeyonoma
07-09-2008, 01:37 PM
arena farming takes 1-2 hours of dedicated play per week

bg farming takes 4394839843948394839438989(zomghispowerlvlizover900 0) hours to get, especially if you're on the losing end.

Ukyo
07-10-2008, 12:07 AM
12594 HP
1750 AP
32.38% Crit
79 Hit Rating
434 ArP + Executioner
399 Resilience

I'm switching to the S4 chest as soon as i get the rating for it (1596 makes me a sad panda) and then who knows, i'm barely playing as it is now lol (arena = ukyo bored)

Bloodwraith
07-10-2008, 05:09 AM
I don't have my pvp gear on right now, but I know I don't run with that much resil as a conscious choice...in 5v5 I'm not usually targeted, and in 2v2/3v3 as a sword spec I go for burst rather than survivability.

I run with like 336resil, and swapped in a few +dps items (Bulwark of the Ancient Kings over S3 chest, angelista's revenge over S2 ring, that sorta thing). However, my ratings are pretty close to yours, so I'm not exactly the best person to listen to :p

One thing I noticed on your gear, though: you neglected the 10crit, 5crit/10ap, and 20ap honor gem purchases. That would give you a slight boost in stats.

If you wanted to be a real elitist these gems would be better:

Bold Crimson Spinel
Inscribed Pyrestone

The strength on these would scale with kings although they cost a lot on the AH =P

Plus in terms of honor most people still have to grind out all the gurdian's pieces/merc pieces and the epic trinket, so gems would probably be last on their list.

ebs2002
07-10-2008, 10:33 AM
The strength on these would scale with kings although they cost a lot on the AH =P

Sure, if you run with a paladin. If you don't, it doesn't matter :p

Bloodwraith
07-10-2008, 02:30 PM
In 5's chances are you'll run with a pally though

Kazeyonoma
07-10-2008, 04:15 PM
What's a 5s? :X

Bloodwraith
07-10-2008, 04:19 PM
5 vs 5


Kazeyonoma
07-10-2008, 04:21 PM
5 vs 5



Does not Compute.

I canz only countz to twee.

Ukyo
07-10-2008, 06:40 PM
Does not Compute.

I canz only countz to twee.

omg i thought i was the only one!!

Bloodwraith
07-10-2008, 06:47 PM
QQ I just talked to my feral druid friend, and yesterday he hit 1800 in 2's so he could get his s3 wep, he runs games with a ShS Rogue.

Someone show me the secret of finding a resto druid..

I hear that they can sometimes be tricked onto your team with the promise of animal crackers and other such snacks =P

ebs2002
07-11-2008, 07:48 AM
Finding a resto druid hasn't been difficult for me.

The problem arises when you want to find a GOOD resto druid.

Kazeyonoma
07-11-2008, 09:00 AM
even finding a resto druid who's spec'd and pvp geared for resto is hard, all i find are ferals or boomkins.

but I agree, good resto druids are hard. I'm glad I have the best on my server, but his summer job is starting to take it's toll =(

Bloodwraith
07-11-2008, 01:32 PM
I found an ok one today The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Korgath&n=Foods)

the team was at 1420 just helping a rogue guy for points, but we went 10-2 losing to a good disc priest/MM hunter, and a good rogue/boomkin. He seems to want to contniue doing games tonight hopefully we'll hit 1600 so I can finally buy my chest.

Ukyo
07-11-2008, 05:25 PM
I hope my "LF Decent Resto Druid for 2's, i have cookies, pst" add works :(

Bloodwraith
07-11-2008, 08:09 PM
I hope my "LF Decent Resto Druid for 2's, i have cookies, pst" add works :(

GL =D

Oh btw

Me and that druid did more games tonight coming from 1420 (points team) to 1610 or seomthing like that. I went ahead and bought chest and bracers. We went 26-14. Ran into a lot of strange combos along the way and some good ones that straight raped us but atleast we got 1600, next we'll push for ring then helm/boots maybe later this weekend or something. His gear could use some work but it's the only druid I have for now, and he seems like he isn't going anywhere atleast and is willing to learn the combo.

Kazeyonoma
07-12-2008, 03:45 AM
Oh, so me and my shaman in 2s discovered something stupidly simple today.

Go offensive instead of defensive. LOL.

We worked out ways to basically crush almost any healer/dps team and it's been working about 9/10 times, and our drawback is that we lose about 50% of our double dps matchups but according to arena junkies and people I know, that's about right =(

Bloodwraith
07-12-2008, 10:35 AM
Oh, so me and my shaman in 2s discovered something stupidly simple today.

Go offensive instead of defensive. LOL.

We worked out ways to basically crush almost any healer/dps team and it's been working about 9/10 times, and our drawback is that we lose about 50% of our double dps matchups but according to arena junkies and people I know, that's about right =(

Nice! I had a gama yesterday where it was a mirror match so I just started on warrior, and his druid let him get down to 30% or less, and then popped out, and my druid just pounced and started CC rotation and I kill him lol. Like a 1 minute mirror match game =P

What are you guy's rating at?

Bloodwraith
07-12-2008, 05:30 PM
With new bracers/chest my new pvp stats are:

12,394 Health, 413 Resil, 1770 ap, 92 hit, 35.12 Crit, and 308 armor pen

with all this hit, I could drop surefooted and still have hit cap O.o

Anyone know about and theorycrafting about doing the 3%crit meta instead of 24 ap /run speed, and boar's speed instead of surefooted?

Fame
07-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Mace spec
11.7k hp
1886 ap
105 hit
36.03 crit
1064 ac pen
11 epxt
322 resil

pve items which i wear in this setup in arena: 2 pc t6 (bracer/belt), Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas, and Choker of Serrated Blades.

2v2 (paly/war) @ 1913 atm, planing on breaking 2050 this comming week.

Bloodwraith
07-13-2008, 09:16 AM
Mace spec
11.7k hp
1886 ap
105 hit
36.03 crit
1064 ac pen
11 epxt
322 resil

pve items which i wear in this setup in arena: 2 pc t6 (bracer/belt), Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas, and Choker of Serrated Blades.

2v2 (paly/war) @ 1913 atm, planing on breaking 2050 this comming week.

Nice, I wish I was hitting 2050 anytime soon lol <3

Fame
07-13-2008, 09:23 AM
well that is just the goal, we are surrounded by PR's which can certainly be a pain for a PalWar comp. Which is why I wear slightly more PvE gear then your avg war since with that comp you want to try and blow the priest up and put them on the defensive.

Kazeyonoma
07-14-2008, 07:56 AM
Yeh, different offensive team war/pal than my sham/war but same basic idea, you're not gonna win long fights, put the smack down hard early on.

I ended the week with 1734 this week, improvement from 1669 last week, so hopefully we'll break into 1800 territory by next week. As for your mirror match that's awesome, yeh if you ever want some strategies with war/druid I can help, i got 2005 last season with a druid.

Kazeyonoma
07-14-2008, 09:08 AM
Oh and new stats:

AP: 1790
Health: 12604
Hit: 83
Crit: 35.42 zerker
Resilience: 393
Armor Penetration: 573

The "right" side of my armory now is fully upgraded (barring the 45 resil trinket) time to upgrade the left side, have the points coming monday to get the s4 chest and sticking epic quality gems into it so it should be a HUGE upgrade.

ebs2002
07-14-2008, 10:28 AM
Anyone know about and theorycrafting about doing the 3%crit meta instead of 24 ap /run speed, and boar's speed instead of surefooted?

You'll certainly do more damage, but:
- Resilience cuts down on your crit damage a ton...3% makes up for some of the damage, but the crit-chance reduction from resil makes it hard.
- You lose the root/snare resist of surefooted. Really not worth it for 2's and 3's IMO.

Bloodwraith
07-14-2008, 02:50 PM
You'll certainly do more damage, but:
- Resilience cuts down on your crit damage a ton...3% makes up for some of the damage, but the crit-chance reduction from resil makes it hard.
- You lose the root/snare resist of surefooted. Really not worth it for 2's and 3's IMO.

Cool thanks =D

Bloodwraith
07-14-2008, 02:55 PM
Yesterday me and the druid I found hit ~1665 and I grabbed ring, but then we had some trouble with:

Lost to:

(Once)

Holy Pally/SL/SL lock- accidently Q'd us up when we weren't ready
SL/SL Warlock/Resto Druid
Disc Priest/Arms Warrior
Arms Warrior/ resto shaman
Enh Shaman/ BM Hunter

(Twice)

ShS Rogue/Boomkin Druid
ShS Rogue/Disc Priest
SL/SL Warlock/ShS Rogue
Arms Warrior/Resto Druid
Shadow Priest/ShS Rogue

Some of these losses were due to my druid just being more undergeared than S3 druids or getting his ass handed to him by double dps, and he gets tunnel vision a lot.

Last night's session was 14-15 dropping back from 1612 at the start, to 1590 at the end =\

Hopefully we'll push 1700 so I can grab boots and helm.

My new stats with ring are:

12,474 Health, 413 Resil, 1780 ap, 92 hit, 35.48 Crit, and 364 armor pen

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 06:29 AM
Did some more games for the past 2 days we're 9-8 =\

On moday we did more games, eventually leading to out last game against some guildies Mage/Rogue team (we won hehe)

Than yesterday we went up against hunter/pally for a 35 minute game that we finally won

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t103/bloodwraith816/tankspot400k.jpg

GG

every time I turn around the hunter had a trap on me, or he winclipped me then got blessing of freedom =\

My partner constantly has to drink, and multiple times he would be across map, I would get frozen, and hunter would rez pet =\

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 09:28 AM
that sucks, you gotta call that out, when you see him rezing, tell your druid to feral charge/bash him or cyclone whichever.

but glad to see you won in the end.

Just picked up my s4 chest

stuck 2 +10 str gems and a 5/5 crit/str gem in there with +6 stats instead of 15 resil (boo 378 resil now)

new stats should be:
AP: 1818
Health: 12754
Hit: 89
Crit: 35.73 zerker
Resilience: 378 (boo went down)
Armor Penetration: 573

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 10:43 AM
that sucks, you gotta call that out, when you see him rezing, tell your druid to feral charge/bash him or cyclone whichever.

but glad to see you won in the end.

Just picked up my s4 chest

stuck 2 +10 str gems and a 5/5 crit/str gem in there with +6 stats instead of 15 resil (boo 378 resil now)

new stats should be:
AP: 1818
Health: 12754
Hit: 89
Crit: 35.73 zerker
Resilience: 378 (boo went down)
Armor Penetration: 573

Nice stats

And that hunter had imp revive pet, so when my druid escaped he didn't usually have time to get back once I called it, although we did stop it about 100 other times.

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 10:50 AM
yeh, very annoying fight. i lose most of that matchup so i hate it, but glad to see you won. Kazaganthi will tell he he never loses to them =P

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 11:09 AM
yeh, very annoying fight. i lose most of that matchup so i hate it, but glad to see you won. Kazaganthi will tell he he never loses to them =P

haha :D

These are the teams we seem to be having the most trouble with:

ShS Rogue/Boomkin Druid
ShS Rogue/Disc Priest
SL/SL Warlock/ShS Rogue
Arms Warrior/Resto Druid
Shadow Priest/ShS Rogue

The rest is stuff that you barely ever see but we lost to aynways like:

Spriest/ele shaman
BM Hunter/Frost Mage
Enh Shaman/Hunter

So far it seems this comp can run into touble quickly with double dps, and with other dps/healer matches the games are long.

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 11:19 AM
that's basically it, double dps is tough but if you slow play you win.

against healer/dps you win most matches unless you get gibbed by teams like mine.

you should win most games though, they just take a god awful long time.

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 11:38 AM
that's basically it, double dps is tough but if you slow play you win.

against healer/dps you win most matches unless you get gibbed by teams like mine.

you should win most games though, they just take a god awful long time.

haha yeah, I hope I don't get another half hour+ game, that was just rediculous, I wanted to leave after the first 15 minutes or so lol.

ebs2002
07-16-2008, 12:03 PM
I had a 22min game against a priest/ShS rog last weekend, it was close but we barely inched out the win after I got a lucky imp hamstring proc on the rogue when he was out of LoS and had just blown his cooldowns (had to stop hamstringing him until i knew his cooldowns were blown, then spamstring whenever he followed my druid behind a pillar). Got +29 team rating (only like +17 or +18 personal rating though, boo).

I could just imagine what was going on in their vent. After the rogue finally dropped, the priest didn't move or leave. She just stood there and took the damage until we dropped her...I imagined she was screaming at the rogue, or the rogue was screaming at her, or they were both just crying.

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 12:35 PM
I had a 22min game against a priest/ShS rog last weekend, it was close but we barely inched out the win after I got a lucky imp hamstring proc on the rogue when he was out of LoS and had just blown his cooldowns (had to stop hamstringing him until i knew his cooldowns were blown, then spamstring whenever he followed my druid behind a pillar). Got +29 team rating (only like +17 or +18 personal rating though, boo).

I could just imagine what was going on in their vent. After the rogue finally dropped, the priest didn't move or leave. She just stood there and took the damage until we dropped her...I imagined she was screaming at the rogue, or the rogue was screaming at her, or they were both just crying.

If it had been me, I think it would have been a mix of screaming and crying lol, I think the most points I've ever got is like 23-25.

Anyone ever had a tie in arena? I ahd one in 3's once it was crazy, because in that one second, you see the enemy player go down, only to notice your teamate died at exactly the same time. Rating change "--"

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 01:34 PM
I've done that bloodwraith lol, both execute crits, 2 warriors down! draw!

War/Druid i would say on average matches will take you 20 minutes, seriously as you get higher into the brackets, games take longer.

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 03:34 PM
well I'd rather do mirror matches all day, than to face these double dps teams hehe, I'll take time over a loss.

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 03:42 PM
True that man, true that, but mirror matches often are 50/50 anyways so its long AND you lose =P

I hate mace warriors btw.

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 03:52 PM
True that man, true that, but mirror matches often are 50/50 anyways so its long AND you lose =P

I hate mace warriors btw.

lol don't hate =P, I'd take your sword over my mace(S2 QQ)

Kazeyonoma
07-16-2008, 04:28 PM
lol, mace stuns really screw me and my 3s team a LOT. you'd be amazed how good mace is when you aren't the one dishing it out. When i had deep thunder i didn't think it was that great. But now that I get stunned it sucks haha.

I think I'd probably go s4 mace when the time arises, but I'd still respec and pull out the s3 sword for when I do 2s with my shaman.

Bloodwraith
07-16-2008, 05:25 PM
Don't you love it when sword spec procs and then you auto attack with a windfury proc and you gib the crap outa someone?

Ukyo
07-16-2008, 09:27 PM
What i used to do for Double DPS teams back when i runned with Rogue/Warrior was shield up and wait for the jump, if it's double rogue, you get extra armor for a few seconds to mitigate the damage (and if they suck, they won't use the opening points for expose armor, unless... they have Glaives t_t). For Rogue/Dreamstate you should just wait for the opener in zerker, switch to defensive as soon as you get a chance and then rend the rogue, that way he won't be able to vanish (or he's going to have to time it really well) to re stun you.

When you can't see the team, switch immediatly to 1h/Board =D

New Stats: 1784 AP - 83 Hit Rating - 32,88% crit (Battle) - 518 ArP - 12524 HP - 11047 Armor

Bloodwraith
07-17-2008, 05:42 AM
I'll try that then =D, and during heroism and beastial wrath I'm going to try to intervene my healer and just pillar hump till the buff fades.

Kazeyonoma
07-17-2008, 09:10 AM
Lol, best I ever took note of was after I put up 5 sunders on a full s3 priest and called out bloodlust.

You Gain Sword Specialization.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.5k damage.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.4k damage.
You Gain Sword Specialization.
You Mortal Strike Crit XXX for 1.7k damage.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.5k damage.
You Windfury Crit XXX for 1.8k damage.

On the combat log, this all took place within 1.0 seconds. O_o. I had to look it up because the priest went from 85% to dead without ANY time inbetween, he literally just fell dead once I engaged him full on. So I checked the log to see this and laughed my ass off. I think this is something like a .0002% chance to happen but man it was sexy. Shoulda SS'd it.

Bloodwraith
07-17-2008, 09:20 AM
Lol, best I ever took note of was after I put up 5 sunders on a full s3 priest and called out bloodlust.

You Gain Sword Specialization.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.5k damage.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.4k damage.
You Gain Sword Specialization.
You Mortal Strike Crit XXX for 1.7k damage.
You White Swing Crit XXX for 1.5k damage.
You Windfury Crit XXX for 1.8k damage.

On the combat log, this all took place within 1.0 seconds. O_o. I had to look it up because the priest went from 85% to dead without ANY time inbetween, he literally just fell dead once I engaged him full on. So I checked the log to see this and laughed my ass off. I think this is something like a .0002% chance to happen but man it was sexy. Shoulda SS'd it.

wow GG, did you have deathwish on too? I bet that priest was jsut like WTF WTF!?!?!? in vent

Kazeyonoma
07-17-2008, 09:45 AM
I probably didn't have deathwish up, I would've hit harder if I did. =P

Bloodwraith
07-21-2008, 06:02 PM
I probably didn't have deathwish up, I would've hit harder if I did. =P

Kaz did I see in chat that you came to Korgath? Or did I come into the convo at the wrong time?

I play on Korgath, and Klimpen is there too as far as I know.

Kazeyonoma
07-22-2008, 09:14 AM
Will be coming soon sir.

Bloodwraith
07-31-2008, 05:38 AM
With my shiny new epic gems:

12,474 Health, 413 Resil, 1800 ap, 92 hit, 35.66 Crit, and 364 armor pen are my PvP stats Currently .

Thats right, 1800 ap woo!

Atm I have the points/honor for helm/boots so I just need to hit the personal. The after that the only upgrades I can get are thown weapon, then replacing my weapons/shields/shoudlers with vengeful or brutal.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Korgath&n=Bloodwraith)

Kazeyonoma
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
I think you meant 1800 AP sir

I'm like:
12794 health,
374 resil,
1828 ap
89 hit,
36.33 crit,
576 arP?

Still gotta grab the s4 helm and s4 bracers and s4 throwing weapon and.... oh s4 helm/shoulders and epic trinket... gah

Ukyo
07-31-2008, 11:22 AM
I'm sitting on:

12604 HP
399 Resilience
1794 AP
83 Hit
36,24% Crit
574 ArP
11047 Armor

My next upgrade should be the S4 Legs or maybe the Helm then the throwing weapon (still sporting Merciless' since S2 lol) then i'll start farming some cash for regemming my gear. Just started doing arenas with an old shammy friend and considering he has like 250 res we're doing pretty good.

Bloodwraith
07-31-2008, 02:54 PM
I think you meant 1800 AP sir

I'm like:
12794 health,
374 resil,
1828 ap
89 hit,
36.33 crit,
576 arP?

Still gotta grab the s4 helm and s4 bracers and s4 throwing weapon and.... oh s4 helm/shoulders and epic trinket... gah


Indeed, I had just woke up so I guess my hands wandered and typed resil instead =P

Our duel should be pretty close stats wise.

Bloodwraith
07-31-2008, 06:56 PM
I did 2's tonight, and I did another ret pally rogue 2v1 for the victory =D

Sadly we faced another comp I had yet to get really pissed at: Druid/Hunter

about 95% of the game I would be CC'd from either druid or hunter. We couldn't get pet down out first match and lost, but the second we had a very long game and communicated better to get pet down (Mutiple times though). Eventually I wore druid down and blew him up for the win. Our first game was mage/rogue which we lost, and we had a ton of mirror matches, we seem to just sit around 1650. QQ

Bloodwraith
08-01-2008, 02:23 PM
I did two's again today. We played for about 45 minutes. We lost to 2 warrior shamans and 2 warrior pally comps =\

It's annoying the amount of pressure they can keep on me and my druid. With shaman/warrior They would wear us down, then with heroism crush us. With pally I usually put out enough damage coupled with my druid to force pally to bubble warrior, I would interupt 2 holy lights, then my druid would interupt but pallies heal for so much when it lands after that warrior is back in the clear.

Kazeyonoma
08-01-2008, 04:09 PM
yeh it's a tough setup, you have to play very flawlessly to beat those teams, especially the war/sham team, if you leave any person get below 70% heroism/fear/stun is game.

Bloodwraith
08-01-2008, 04:16 PM
Yeah, especially if the shaman helps out the warrior with a few spells. I almost died in basically one mace stun :mad:

Kazeyonoma
08-01-2008, 04:25 PM
yeh, and shocks on your healer can cause bad wasted gcd's trying to cc/heal

Bloodwraith
08-01-2008, 05:15 PM
Yeah, those games require a lot more than usual from us.

We've gotten much better at killing pets these past few days, He just LOS's healer with pet on him while I try to wreck it and we just keep going until it's down and if there is a new pet, we just rinse and repeat.

Zaitochi
08-03-2008, 07:56 AM
My PVP stats suck so bad

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n=Zaitochi)

I definitely need some improvement haha

Derrecin
08-05-2008, 04:42 PM
Just wondering about the choices on metas, usually there's the 24ap/run speed with surefooted. What about the Enigmatic Skyfire Diamond and Boar's/Cat's on boots, meta requirements are harder to reach (at least requires some thinking when adding pve gear into your set) but result in a gain of 10 ilevel ratings on gems (or whatever they're called), (gemming for crit with both, hitting all the socket bonuses.)

Ontopic: can't remember, logged in grinding gear, will update later D: