Magnuss
07-01-2008, 10:43 AM
Last night we did our 3rd Gurtogg kill with the guild. We have so far been able to kill him every week since we first downed him and are ready to put him on farm. The only problem is that he is still a challenging fight that we almost have to re-learn each time we go since our group comp is NEVER the same. We always seem to have different tanks, different healers, and different dps in some order or fashion each time we have gone so it has been tricky getting him consistantly.
I wanted to make a thread on here to throw out a few tips that i found helpful for our tanks/offtanks during this fight in hopes of helping some people out.
Last night's group comp had 3 tanks. 1 Druid, 1 Prot warrior (me), and 1 Prot paladin. Now since its somewhat of a dps race to kill him before your healers get overwhelmed or before the enrage timer (which is long but still there) you want to make sure that your dps can still attack Gurtogg during phase one without overcoming your lowest tank in threat. This is very tricky because only one tank is generating decent threat at a time especially during the start. Here is a few tips that i have picked up to help with this issue.
1) Paladins if you have one should get the misdirect first and tank him first. Their threat is reflective based on how much damage is done to them and garbage otherwise. We had our paladin try to be an offtank initially the first time and he couldnt even keep up past some of the druid healing aggro.
2) Protection warriors have a very hard time with rage on this fight until they start getting attacked or get a debuff stack on them. In order to combat this on a regular basis i tried a few different methods. One is a rage potion which i would use as often as i could manage to get it up. The problem with this is that it eats a potion cooldown in a fight where you may very well need that potion at some point.
Another method for getting enough rage to stay on the top lists is to do your best until the first Fel-Enrage period and then move up behind Gurtogg when is attacking the Fel-Enraged raider. Equip 2 weapons and use your auto attack against him. Only use rage when you absolutely need to (such as with a thunderclap or demo shout) and build up as much as you can. Then when he is about to come back to the main tank, throw your shield back on and let loose with your 100 rage. This should be more than enough to tide you over. If it isnt, then there shouldnt be too much of a problem equipping your 2 swords again while in phase one and using your Heroic Strike/Devastate combo as fast as you can. The threat this generates without salv really can be substantial. Just be sure you are fast on the quick swap for when the MT gets stunned or knocked back and he turns to you. It would suck to be caught with your pants down and no shield.
3) The last bit of tanking technique that I have used effectively on this boss is only used for situations where your threat is good, but you are becoming rage starved. This is somewhere between half and 3/4 through the fight if you havent been picked up as maintank at all. Using the other methods i described can mostly keep your head above water but wont last you the whole fight. If you can afford to generate zero threat for about 10-15 seconds in order to get some serious rage then you can stand in front of Gurtogg with your back turned to him. This will make it so that you dont accidentally cause him to parry and hurt the MT that is tanking but will allow you to absorb a debuff or two and therefore get a real solid amount of constant rage for 1 minute. I only had to use this method one time because i had alot of dps that were creeping up on me in threat and no hope of me getting the main aggro any time soon.
Anyways, I hope some of the methods prove useful in the tanking aspect of a healing intensive fight. If you have any other tricks that have helped you with this boss, feel free to share.
I wanted to make a thread on here to throw out a few tips that i found helpful for our tanks/offtanks during this fight in hopes of helping some people out.
Last night's group comp had 3 tanks. 1 Druid, 1 Prot warrior (me), and 1 Prot paladin. Now since its somewhat of a dps race to kill him before your healers get overwhelmed or before the enrage timer (which is long but still there) you want to make sure that your dps can still attack Gurtogg during phase one without overcoming your lowest tank in threat. This is very tricky because only one tank is generating decent threat at a time especially during the start. Here is a few tips that i have picked up to help with this issue.
1) Paladins if you have one should get the misdirect first and tank him first. Their threat is reflective based on how much damage is done to them and garbage otherwise. We had our paladin try to be an offtank initially the first time and he couldnt even keep up past some of the druid healing aggro.
2) Protection warriors have a very hard time with rage on this fight until they start getting attacked or get a debuff stack on them. In order to combat this on a regular basis i tried a few different methods. One is a rage potion which i would use as often as i could manage to get it up. The problem with this is that it eats a potion cooldown in a fight where you may very well need that potion at some point.
Another method for getting enough rage to stay on the top lists is to do your best until the first Fel-Enrage period and then move up behind Gurtogg when is attacking the Fel-Enraged raider. Equip 2 weapons and use your auto attack against him. Only use rage when you absolutely need to (such as with a thunderclap or demo shout) and build up as much as you can. Then when he is about to come back to the main tank, throw your shield back on and let loose with your 100 rage. This should be more than enough to tide you over. If it isnt, then there shouldnt be too much of a problem equipping your 2 swords again while in phase one and using your Heroic Strike/Devastate combo as fast as you can. The threat this generates without salv really can be substantial. Just be sure you are fast on the quick swap for when the MT gets stunned or knocked back and he turns to you. It would suck to be caught with your pants down and no shield.
3) The last bit of tanking technique that I have used effectively on this boss is only used for situations where your threat is good, but you are becoming rage starved. This is somewhere between half and 3/4 through the fight if you havent been picked up as maintank at all. Using the other methods i described can mostly keep your head above water but wont last you the whole fight. If you can afford to generate zero threat for about 10-15 seconds in order to get some serious rage then you can stand in front of Gurtogg with your back turned to him. This will make it so that you dont accidentally cause him to parry and hurt the MT that is tanking but will allow you to absorb a debuff or two and therefore get a real solid amount of constant rage for 1 minute. I only had to use this method one time because i had alot of dps that were creeping up on me in threat and no hope of me getting the main aggro any time soon.
Anyways, I hope some of the methods prove useful in the tanking aspect of a healing intensive fight. If you have any other tricks that have helped you with this boss, feel free to share.