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lorelye
05-30-2008, 06:03 AM
Hi,

I was wondering, what's your TPS in Hyjal/BT level encounters? Of course it will vary, but what would be average or high for say, a night of 4/5 Hyjal or 4/5 BT?

Do you get your numbers by parsing your Web Stats Logs?

Thanks.

Khayra
05-30-2008, 06:29 AM
It depends on the encounter, but on fights like azgalor I do around 900-1000 TPS. I recently hit around 1100 on Gorefiend. On both fights my gear is more focused on survivability then on threat.

This is a threat parse of Hyjal, last night: Khayra produced 984 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-4660)

I also use the ingame addon (Sustained Tps | World of Warcraft Addons | Curse (http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/12336/)) to get a TPS feedback right after each fight.

Lavache
05-30-2008, 06:37 AM
Coolyo[dot]org (http://www.coolyo.org)

we are 3/5 2/9 and i just parsed logs from the weeks kills - lowest was 560 (supremus), highest was 880 (anetheron). also have to take into account how much time is spent not hitting the boss due to movement, stuns, adds etc. anetheron is a tank & spank from the MT point of view, supremus has a lot of running around not generating much threat.

on coolyo you can also see records for bosses and links to the TPS reports.

Khayra
05-30-2008, 08:01 AM
I prefer WowWebStats Tps Calculator (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/) over Coolyo[dot]org (http://www.coolyo.org/)
You have some nice options like excluding Healing Threat and it shows results for battle time and dps time. We engage bosses like Kaz'Rogal and Azgalor usually after they killed their way through remaining NPCs at the gates, so battle time and dps time is quite a difference.

Edit: WowWebStats Tps Calculator (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/) also works for druids and paladins. ;)

lorelye
05-30-2008, 03:40 PM
So on a straight fight like Anatheron, would you consider 900 to be average? What would be your other essential stats on a fight like that?
(I'm a mage & guild leader, know nothing about tanking, just trying to understand better.)

Thanks!

byechee
05-30-2008, 03:58 PM
anetheron u'd want a good mix of threat and avoidance, because every time that bastard his you he heals himself, so the less hits he lands means a faster fight. 900 is not bad starting out, assuming the tank has to tclap and demo shout for himself.

pompuspilot
06-02-2008, 11:13 PM
i usually do around 1200 giv or take which boss and gear im using, thats just lookin at my omen

Endal
06-03-2008, 05:24 AM
Sadly it is pretty hard to accurately judge TPS in most situations since movement and/or downtime tend to skew results. I think the best thing you can do is make sure your tank is using the right rotiation...

Use Shield Block always, SS Rev Dev Dev and HS whenever rage allows it.

Edit: If your tank's TPS is low to the point where DPS holds back a lot, he needs more expertise. From personal experience (and its obvious), the biggest variable in my TPS is how much expertise I have on.

Grakzul Slaughtbringer
06-04-2008, 10:15 AM
Tanking with about 900 TPS constantly is sufficient for a fight like Anetheron. When he goes below 20% he will take more damage so you have to increase your TPS if you don't want your fury warriors to wait for execute. But 900TPS is not a bad score, especially if it is an average threat (which means you can easily obtain good spikes at 1300/1400)

Tankz
06-05-2008, 05:15 AM
1100-1400 depending on the fight, last night i was on brut with my new sword (Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade - Items - WOWDB (http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=34164)) and it i found it a considerable threat upgrade for me, i used to do 1100-1200 on brut before.

remizak
06-05-2008, 06:41 AM
Depending on the fight I do anywhere from 1000 to 1400 tps.

bosephus
06-05-2008, 06:42 AM
Do you get your numbers by parsing your Web Stats Logs?

Thanks.

Parsing WWS logs is the best way to do this. I used to just look at Omen and take a guess, but after starting to parse WWS logs I've learned it's really the most reliable indicator. The two parsers mentioned above are great tools for this.

Tank
06-10-2008, 07:51 PM
Just curious, I do about average 800-900TPS at Gorefiend according to the website but from WWS, we have 9 players above 1k dps and one of them 1600dps.

Remizak, how do u achieve 1400TPS?

heltamr
06-16-2008, 01:54 AM
Once you have your rotation down, the only way to up your TPS is to up yo0ur DPS, by gearing or changing the buffs you have.

Adding a shammy for windfury can be good for well over 100TPS(and can really help with rage starvation) LotP is great too.

Gearing for expertise or hit, and to a lesser extent sheild block value. If incomming damage isn't a concern, DPS stats like armorpen can work wonders for threat.
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last winterchill downing I managed 1362 TPS w/o shammy or druid(or frenzy), by stacking up to 650 armorpen. Heltamr produced 1362 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-11565)

it is important to note, that with just salvo, that 1600 dps player is only putting out 1100some odd TPS, and 900TPS with your 30% threat theshold will keep the boss on you.

Morgo
06-16-2008, 05:44 AM
The biggest difference for me is equipping Shard of Contempt whenever I can afford it, it's just amazing for threat (don't mind the parry reduction either).

No shard, I top out around 1k usually, if I have the rage to HS basically all of the time.

Shard and Executioner weapon + high rage puts me at around 1200, but since I equip those items mainly for the not-so-difficult fights, I'm lacking rage then and it puts me right unter 1k again :-/

see how much dps your dps can do:
http://www.tankspot.com/forums/theory-articles/36547-tps-dps-comparison-charts.html

so, 900 TPS allows for 1300 to 2k dps /w salvation, depending on class and talents, while excluding range modifiers (which I always ignore since I want dps BEHIND me and not on top of me in omen).

Edit: Don't forget players aggro dumps, a warlock is perfectly capable of pulling 2k DPS without pulling aggro if he times his soulshatters right.

Vapes
06-16-2008, 11:41 AM
I think like the OP mentioned it'd be good to state where numbers came from. I know on Omen I can sit around 1100, and spike up to 1700, but when I use coolyo it shows something like 850-900.

What's the best gauge of TPS out there? I kind of like how WWS does DPS based on DPS time, is there something out there that will give you both numbers, TPS over the whole fight and TPS during DPS time? That way you could compare different fights easier for your own purposes (if it was based on DPS time).

lorelye
06-19-2008, 10:22 AM
Thanks all. One of our tanks went into a panic because he thought he was doing poorly. From your answers, it's my opinion that the other tank, to whom he was comparing, is just strangely talented, and there is no fault that they are not exactly the same, yet. Their range on the web calculators is from 900-1600, which sounds absolutely fine to me, from your answers. Yes our warlocks pull occasionally off of one of them, but then one of our warlocks is also strangely talented & nobody knows how he does it. lol.
Thanks. :)

luckyhammer
09-23-2008, 09:00 AM
There are just to many variables that affect tps. Raid stacking,specific encounter,gear,RNG,even hunter MD,an OT to keep TC and demo up. Basic fact is that if your doing your rotation and HS when rage permisable you should be just fine. Those claims of high tps in the 1500 to 1600 range seem to be encounters where the healers can keep the tank up with a threat set on, exp.(SBV,expertice,hit rating,even pvp gear) and possibly being in an ehn shaman or feral druid group. I dont believe that tps that high is really even needed as 1100 to 1200 should be just fine for every encounter.

Lunestone
09-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Sadly it is pretty hard to accurately judge TPS in most situations since movement and/or downtime tend to skew results. I think the best thing you can do is make sure your tank is using the right rotiation...

Use Shield Block always, SS Rev Dev Dev and HS whenever rage allows it.

Edit: If your tank's TPS is low to the point where DPS holds back a lot, he needs more expertise. From personal experience (and its obvious), the biggest variable in my TPS is how much expertise I have on.

I'd be careful when saying "use shield block always", some will take that literally... and particularly offtanks should not have shield block up at all times. I had a friend who took over his brother's t5 geared warrior and was having issues with threat because he had shield block whenever it was up regardless of what mob he was on and on trash. You'd think it'd be a given that if your rage is low you'd kinda put two and two together with shield block... but apparently not.

treyu
09-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Avg TPS on trash is 900-1k, on bosses its around 1k-1.3kish gear is mostly MH / BT gear, still got ZA helm, and solarians boots. in 4/5 MH and 5/9 BT guild.

treyu
09-25-2008, 07:11 PM
stupid question and yes... made a new post because im to lazy to hit edit..... anyways how does WowWebStats Tps Calculator (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/) work exactly?

Navlelo
09-26-2008, 06:29 AM
stupid question and yes... made a new post because im to lazy to hit edit..... anyways how does WowWebStats Tps Calculator (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/) work exactly?

open a wws report, select the fight you want, select the tank and just copy/paste your url into the calculator