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Kahmal
04-28-2008, 05:20 PM
ZA run, my new Fury Warrior was only pushing 500 DPS (Funsmack Bleeding Hollow) his gear is decent, still a few blues and bad gems, no enchant on Off Hand (waiting for an upgrade, lol).

His group had no Windfury but I dont think it's an excuse. Is it really gear? I told him to worry only about the soft hit cap at the moment, am I misleading him?

Spaceknight
04-28-2008, 05:42 PM
For starters,gemming hit is terribad... 500 dps is like starting 70's dps basically. You either:
A) Have a bad rotation( still wouldn't warrant 500 dps)
B) AFk through half the boss fight
C) Terrible and need to reroll.

Arrivan
04-28-2008, 06:08 PM
As a rough guideline, I can push anywhere from 800 to 1000 DPS with full raid buffs and consumables but without Windfury depending on the boss (<3 Shade and Illhoof). His gear is only a bit below mine, so he should be able to come somewhere near my numbers. I'd say it's a rotation and skill problem. Fury's DPS rotation is easy: Hit Bloodthist and Whirlwind every time they're up, refresh Battle Shout, Rampage and Demoralising Shout (if needed) whenever you need to and Heroic Strike as often as possible. Occasionally I'll fish for a crit with spamstring but generally I don't need to.

He also needs to lose the hit gems. He's over the special cap (the only hit cap warriors should actively try to reach) without them because of Precision. I see he also has Imp. Overpower in his spec. If he's stance dancing for every dodge he'll actually lose DPS from losing all but 10 rage each time he stance dances, which would screw up his rotation. Those points would be better spent maxing out Deflection and taking Anger Management. In the Fury tree, he can afford to lose Imp. Berserker Rage to max out Weapon Mastery and take 1/2 Imp. Whirlwind. On a side note, I don't have Imp. WW because with my 300-500ms average latency it would not help to avoid cooldown clashes as it would with lower latency.

Kahmal
04-29-2008, 03:04 AM
lol, stance dancing for Overpower

I can't understand his problem though. The ranged out DPS'd him on Eagle Boss, and there the mobile ones. Our rogue had no WF but still pushed around 800-900. (did much better doing his gear right though)

Arrivan
04-29-2008, 04:03 AM
A WWS report would be the most helpful tool to see where and why he's going wrong. Without that, we're just speculating.

Kahmal
04-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Yea too bad every time I try WWS now I get "not a vaild 2.4 log" Not sure why it's saying that.

Corbusier
04-29-2008, 12:40 PM
I think they updated their program, you might want to DL the new version.

Kahmal
04-29-2008, 09:10 PM
Well I figured out one of my DPS warriors is a nub that doesn't use Whirlwind...but he's quite undergeared also, I really need to see wuts up with Funsmack

BoomBeef
04-30-2008, 08:53 AM
Make him read the DW Fury guide stickied above? I'd say no raid until he opens his eyes and reads for himself. Let him figure it out for himself after that and you can just do some coaching where need be.
:D

Kream
05-01-2008, 09:56 AM
His gear/spec is looking fine to me.. only thing I can see is his gem choice is pretty bad. I gem 8 str by default, will use crit/str to hit socket bonuses I want, and only use the 2 str/sta gems I need to activate my meta. In fact on second review.. his gear isn't activating his meta.

Kahmal
05-01-2008, 08:32 PM
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/nspuijbbsi61c?m)
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/4wfyfzwcmsiay?m)

WTF are they doing wrong. Pushing 700 DPS at this gear level is bad right!?

Spaceknight
05-01-2008, 09:19 PM
Well.. on Morogrim.. he seems to be missing a lot of WW's and BT's. Maybe he got graved alot or something, but 51&#37; on just regular swings is really high. he's also missing his yellow attacks? How? His crit is also quite low.


Same thing for the first post. Missing his yellows, half of his dps from white attacks is lol( is he afking alot?). Not heroic striking enough, should be up around 9-15% of your dps form heroic strikes.

Kahmal
05-04-2008, 11:02 AM
I dont get it though, aren't they supposed to generally stay around 95 hit rating unless they find gear that comes with it?

Spaceknight
05-04-2008, 04:47 PM
95 is minimum to not miss yellows and should be required for all fury warriors if they want to raid.. However it seems like he's missing his yellow attacks, therefore he's not at 95 hit rating.

Foolishness
05-04-2008, 05:33 PM
Fixing your gear isn't going to magically make you do more DPS. Most people that suck at DPS with bad gear, also suck at DPS with good gear.

Kahmal
05-04-2008, 05:56 PM
95 is minimum to not miss yellows and should be required for all fury warriors if they want to raid.. However it seems like he's missing his yellow attacks, therefore he's not at 95 hit rating.

If you look into the specifics though he's not exactly missing, the attacks are being dodged, so does he need Expertise?

Crommi
05-04-2008, 06:02 PM
Fixing your gear isn't going to magically make you do more DPS. Most people that suck at DPS with bad gear, also suck at DPS with good gear.

Totally agree with this, we have one dps warrior in our raids who was constantly at the bottom end of damage meters (Found out after starting to use WWS). So, I had a little chat with him as I have some experience about both aspects of a warrior and also directed him to The Almighty Tankspot.com Forums to look up couple guides on how to improve his DPS (right skill rotations and so on)

This resulted in his DPS increasing from ~500 to ~800 on Lurker and on last Tidewalker kill he was around ~1000dps, according to WWS logs. Basically he went from bottom end to near the top while using almost same gear (ditched some +hit gems for +str)

Spaceknight
05-04-2008, 07:04 PM
It says Miss though on some of his stats.. anyways.. ya direct him to meek's guide and if he listens and reads it, you should see a dps increase.

Edit:
never mind I'm wrong.. about that.. didn't further check it, but I do see some of his attacks being parried, which is uh.. interesting. If you ever see a melee dps in front of you. Threaten to Gkick them if they don't go behind the boss.


But seriously, direct him to Meek's DW Fury Guide, It makes crappy dps warriors into gods. >_>. I basically increased a couple hundred dps reading that guide and learning to gem and gear out.

You can also listen to corbruiser, he's pretty good with the numbers too.

Corbusier
05-04-2008, 09:10 PM
You can also listen to corbruiser, he's pretty good with the numbers too.
>: [

Spaceknight
05-04-2008, 11:04 PM
LOL SORRY >_> its like that time i got cinderhelm mixed up with ciderhelm

and corbrusier sounds better >:]

Kahmal
05-05-2008, 07:38 AM
It says Miss though on some of his stats.. anyways.. ya direct him to meek's guide and if he listens and reads it, you should see a dps increase.

Edit:
never mind I'm wrong.. about that.. didn't further check it, but I do see some of his attacks being parried, which is uh.. interesting. If you ever see a melee dps in front of you. Threaten to Gkick them if they don't go behind the boss.


But seriously, direct him to Meek's DW Fury Guide, It makes crappy dps warriors into gods. >_>. I basically increased a couple hundred dps reading that guide and learning to gem and gear out.

You can also listen to corbruiser, he's pretty good with the numbers too.

Sad thing is I already did direct him to Meek's Guide which I was already familar with. Looking at the WWS his rotation seems fine, so all I can really blame is his gear. I'm going to run Herioc MgT and let him step in for 3rd boss since a tank isn't really needed, the shard will help his dodge problem a lot (even though I still want it for threat QQ) Even after that though, his weapons are horrible his gear not fully enchanted, and his gems thought +str are only +6.

Also can I get some figures on how much a Fury Warrior needs to put out for his buff to melee to actually matter?

Spaceknight
05-05-2008, 06:38 PM
Well if you check my armory, I'm currently in Battle stance, but in Fury I have around 1900 AP and 32% crit. That should warrant you around 1-1.2k on melee friendly fights with WF, while around 800-900 without a shammy.

Definitely tell him to gem 8 str or crit> hit rating, and to switch out a lot of those blues. If he doesn't want to listen, don't let him raid.

Kahmal
05-06-2008, 07:33 AM
Fuck it....its his god damn spec! He put 5 fucking points into booming voice, only 3/5 Flurry and 1/2 Impale

He's not raiding anymore!