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Ciderhelm
11-28-2007, 10:58 AM
WWS Log:
Ciderhelm - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/pfvqt3spigk25?s=8561-8826&a=17)

Calculated here:
Kenneth Gant Niebuhr - Online portfolie (http://www.coolyo.org/?area=threat)

Notes:
This is an example of a "perfect storm" encounter with incredibly high damage incoming and outgoing. This should be close to a perfect rotation. I am using roughly 77 Hit Rating and 21 Expertise Skill. In addition, I have emphasized Shield Block Value gear for Threat. In addition, I had a 2659 Shield Slam crit, which is fun.

What lowered my TPS:
-Class composition. Benefiting my threat were a Shaman and a second Warrior. This could be increased by moving an additional party-buff class in. However, I still need to be able to survive, so +Healing benefits are preferable;
-Used a third Devastate before a Shield Slam twice, my error;
-Rage became spotty 2/3 of the way into the encounter, barring me once from using Shield Slam on rotation and also drastically dropping the number of Heroic Strikes I could use.
-Latency. Due to the new GCD system I am not sure if abilities were going out as fast as they could.

To improve this, I will respec for one more point in Improved Heroic Strike instead of or including Anger Management. I will also look at possible Expertise and Hit upgrades on upcoming gear.



Battle time in seconds: 262

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 56134 Hits: 94 Crits: 20 Dmg Threat: 83920.33 Skill Threat: 37494.6

Shield slam:
Amount: 34732 Hits: 30 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 51924.34 Skill Threat: 15145.845

Melee:
Amount: 17111 Hits: 46 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 25580.945 Skill Threat: 0

Revenge:
Amount: 13202 Hits: 29 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 19736.99 Skill Threat: 9916.335

Devastate:
Amount: 22809 Hits: 60 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 34099.455 Skill Threat: 10116.665

Reflect:
Amount: 1297 Hits: 52 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1939.015 Skill Threat: 0

Lifebloom:
Amount: 12444 Overheal: 81% Threat: 2364.36

Earthshield:
Amount: 41588 Overheal: 5% Threat: 39508.6

Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 15646 Overheal: 0% Threat: 15646

Total amount of dmg threat: 217201.075
Total amount of skill threat: 72673.445
Total amount of healing threat: 29941.66

TPS: 1220.6724427481

robeh
11-28-2007, 11:22 AM
This is with no extra SBV gear on, normal mitigation, 7% hit and 11 expertise.

Same gear I am wearing in my current profile minus the brutalizer (which I got last night but didn't enchant before Teron). At first I was using The Unbreakable Will and on the third attempt I switched to Mallet.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner'zhul&n=Robeh)

Battle time in seconds: 310

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 54480 Hits: 103 Crits: 18 Dmg Threat: 81447.6 Skill Threat: 39796.9
Shield slam:
Amount: 40458 Hits: 30 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 60484.71 Skill Threat: 18817.565
Melee:
Amount: 25741 Hits: 65 Crits: 19 Dmg Threat: 38482.795 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 16774 Hits: 29 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 25077.13 Skill Threat: 11418.81
Devastate:
Amount: 21951 Hits: 53 Crits: 12 Dmg Threat: 32816.745 Skill Threat: 9814.675
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 333 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 497.835 Skill Threat: 871.21125
Reflect:
Amount: 933 Hits: 41 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1394.835 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 865 Hits: 9 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1293.175 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 26142 Overheal: 56% Threat: 11502.48
Earthshield:
Amount: 8538 Overheal: 10% Threat: 7684.2
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 33684 Overheal: 5% Threat: 31999.8

Total amount of dmg threat: 241494.825
Total amount of skill threat: 80719.16125
Total amount of healing threat: 31344.48

TPS: 1140.5111814516

Ghost death in the group @ 10% X_X

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Battle time in seconds: 208

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 37800 Hits: 75 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 56511 Skill Threat: 28285.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 23390 Hits: 25 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 34968.05 Skill Threat: 12851.02
Melee:
Amount: 12834 Hits: 43 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 19186.83 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 11930 Hits: 21 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 17835.35 Skill Threat: 8113.365
Devastate:
Amount: 16406 Hits: 47 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 24526.97 Skill Threat: 8002.735
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 172 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 257.14 Skill Threat: 449.995
Reflect:
Amount: 763 Hits: 33 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1140.685 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 624 Hits: 7 Crits: Dmg Threat: 932.88 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 15137 Overheal: 60% Threat: 6054.8
Earthshield:
Amount: 9308 Overheal: 9% Threat: 8470.28
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 24678 Overheal: 0% Threat: 24678

Total amount of dmg threat: 155358.905
Total amount of skill threat: 57702.515
Total amount of healing threat: 22628.94

TPS: 1133.1267307692

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Then I switched to Mallet due to parry gib (ended up being from rogues after looking at the parse)

Battle time in seconds: 88

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 18867 Hits: 28 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 28206.165 Skill Threat: 12498.2
Shield slam:
Amount: 9561 Hits: 11 Crits: 1 Dmg Threat: 14293.695 Skill Threat: 5507.58
Melee:
Amount: 7219 Hits: 24 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 10792.405 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 5495 Hits: 8 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 8215.025 Skill Threat: 3605.94
Devastate:
Amount: 6484 Hits: 20 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 9693.58 Skill Threat: 3321.89
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 173 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 258.635 Skill Threat: 452.61125
Reflect:
Amount: 394 Hits: 15 Crits: Dmg Threat: 589.03 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 449 Hits: 5 Crits: Dmg Threat: 671.255 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 3515 Overheal: 100% Threat: 0
Earthshield:
Amount: 8537 Overheal: 10% Threat: 7683.3
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 10620 Overheal: 0% Threat: 10620

Total amount of dmg threat: 72719.79
Total amount of skill threat: 25386.22125
Total amount of healing threat: 9151.65

TPS: 1218.8370596591

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And... got parry gibbed again thx to Melee peoples. There is an issue with the current GCD check where if they are standing inside the hitbox they can get parried from behind.

I am interested to see my threat gain with the expertise bracers, and the Teron gloves. We chose to aim for gurtogg before hand since we've only had 2 gurtogg kills prior to last night. After we downed him we went to Teron, it was late and we didn't kill him on our 4 (put 3 b4) attempts so we called it a night.

When we go back tonight I will wear more SBV gear and have more expertise(21 with Brutalizer (yay orcs)), I will report back with data.

Ciderhelm
11-28-2007, 11:33 AM
Nice robeh, do you have links to the WWS parses as well?

Also for my own reference,
Mallet of the Tides The Unbreakable Will

robeh
11-28-2007, 11:37 AM
I PM'd it to you. Off to lunch, be back soon.

Ciderhelm
11-28-2007, 11:46 AM
I'm going to pick up Imp LOTP if I can get away for it next go, Robeh. Very nice parse.

robeh
11-28-2007, 11:59 AM
I <3 Imp LOTP but I am pretty greedy when it comes to my group setup per encounter (almost always me, feral, warrior, lock/pali, shaman). In those parses I had a resto shammy dropping me WF. Tonight I am going to wear my threat gear +brutalizer and see how much of a difference it makes.

Teron is great for threat benchmarking =]

Marsellus
11-28-2007, 01:49 PM
We're doing Teron tonight, I'll grab the parse if anyone remembers to do it.

I don't particularly like this fight to be honest, I find that incoming damage is a bit streaky at times and can screw with my rotations. Mother seems to be a more reliable source of rage for me, but the shadow gear lowers threat by a bit.

Ciderhelm
11-28-2007, 02:02 PM
That's my frustration as well Marsellus. It's partly my own fault for socketing so many Avoidance/Defense gems, but since I've been MT'ing more I'll be picking up Stam in the future.

Marsellus
11-28-2007, 02:24 PM
Even with all stam gems, his slow, hard hitting style leads to inevitable patches of rage starvation followed by a huge rage surplus.

Oh well, no matter. I'm a prot DPS warrior now!

Narshe
11-28-2007, 11:45 PM
When Teron goes smooth you will find rage starved sometimes in the fight. I don't know if ur raid does it, but after each guy finishes his/her ghosts and hit Teron, Teron attacks will be slowed and 1-2 avoided hits in a row = OOR.

robeh
11-29-2007, 08:47 AM
When the person finishes their ghost's they run over to help out the next person. IMP LOTP (he was also using drums) and Resto WF

Here is my parse from last night: Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/4knu2n525vakc?s=2272-2566&a=12)

I wore my Autoblocker, Brutalizer, T5 gloves for this one.

Battle time in seconds: 292

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 52774 Hits: 107 Crits: 17 Dmg Threat: 78897.13 Skill Threat: 40783.6
Shield slam:
Amount: 42972 Hits: 30 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 64243.14 Skill Threat: 16981.705
Melee:
Amount: 23266 Hits: 72 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 34782.67 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 18287 Hits: 33 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 27339.065 Skill Threat: 12620.79
Devastate:
Amount: 22734 Hits: 53 Crits: 14 Dmg Threat: 33987.33 Skill Threat: 10116.665
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 691 Hits: 4 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1033.045 Skill Threat: 1807.82875
Reflect:
Amount: 1365 Hits: 60 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2040.675 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 1227 Hits: 13 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1834.365 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 27005 Overheal: 57% Threat: 11612.15
Earthshield:
Amount: 16452 Overheal: 23% Threat: 12668.04
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 41350 Overheal: 11% Threat: 36801.5

Total amount of dmg threat: 244157.42
Total amount of skill threat: 82310.58875
Total amount of healing threat: 36346.92

TPS: 1242.5168792808

I ended up being rage starved on this parse a lot. On Omen I was reporting 1400-1800 tps and topped out @ 2200 tps. I will be picking up Expertise bracers this weekend, I will post next weeks parses with the addition of more expertise. Expertise is hotttttttttttttttt, this is going from 2.25% reduced chance to 5.25% reduced chance to be dodged/parried. WTB MORE!

I don't like using Mother as a benchmark, I don't have to try to stay above anyone due to the SR requirements, and for me atleast my rage spikes more than Teron (and a lot more starving moments). I can literally just chill on that fight and give my fingers a break =P.

Lilie
11-29-2007, 09:19 AM
Can you guys mind posting what rotation you are using? Awesome thread btw.

robeh
11-29-2007, 10:55 AM
For bosses I open up with:

Shield Block then follow with a Devastate, Heroic, Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate, Devastate (then repeat, shield slam, revenge, devastate x2 etc) with heroics anywhere I have the rage to stick them (which is pretty much every special on most fights).

If I am debuffing for myself I do 1 debuff per rotation so:

Shield Slam, Revenge, Thunderclap, Devastate (+heroics)
Shield Slam, Revenge, Demo, Devastate (+heroics)

Then back to

Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate x2 (+heroics)

Start to re apply debuff's with 5 seconds left on them. ALWAYS drop HS, I usually queue it a split second after my specials.

Marsellus
11-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Well, I put my parse from last night in and was stunned and saddened at the results. Even though my rotation seemed good, I was only at ~859 TPS. Seems real low compared to numbers I've seen. I then did a bit of detective work and found out that just about every other tank in the world gets Windfury, Battle Shout and Heroism/Bloodlust, most also get LotP, TSA, Drums of Battle or some other form of threat buff. I get none of these on most boss fights. We stack our raid around the DPS and Healing. Tanks are an afterthought, unfortunately, but it seems to work for us. I am also not the usual target of Earth Shield, Lifebloom, or Prayer of Mending on that fight, seems as if they'd rather use those for raid healing. After doing the math, if I had the healing threat that Cider had, my TPS would go up to 948. Almost 90 TPS just from healers.

I'd like to hope that with equal buffs, my threat would be more on par with the numbers in this thread. The main problem is that threat doesn't really seem to be an issue for anyone on this fight, even with my low numbers, so I doubt I'll get a chance to try.

Marsellus - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/ql13tqciand1g?s=3426-3704&a=0)

Result:
Battle time in seconds: 276

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 41322 Hits: 99 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 61776.39 Skill Threat: 35850.1
Shield slam:
Amount: 26070 Hits: 29 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 38974.65 Skill Threat: 14686.88
Melee:
Amount: 9077 Hits: 37 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 13570.115 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 12540 Hits: 27 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 18747.3 Skill Threat: 9315.345
Devastate:
Amount: 17821 Hits: 53 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 26642.395 Skill Threat: 9059.7
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 359 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 536.705 Skill Threat: 939.23375
Reflect:
Amount: 1113 Hits: 49 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1663.935 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
Earthshield:
Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 11445 Overheal: 4% Threat: 10987.2

Total amount of dmg threat: 161911.49
Total amount of skill threat: 69851.25875
Total amount of healing threat: 5493.6

TPS: 859.62445199275

robeh
11-29-2007, 02:39 PM
Here is my mother parse wearing max armory/hp gear, the only extra's I had were Imp LOTP. I had a lot less SBV:

Robeh - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/4knu2n525vakc?s=10758-11147&a=12)

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Battle time in seconds: 376

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 51796 Hits: 111 Crits: 17 Dmg Threat: 77435.02 Skill Threat: 42099.2
Shield slam:
Amount: 40090 Hits: 37 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 59934.55 Skill Threat: 20653.425
Melee:
Amount: 20661 Hits: 70 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 30888.195 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 18101 Hits: 32 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 27060.995 Skill Threat: 12320.295
Devastate:
Amount: 17953 Hits: 51 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 26839.735 Skill Threat: 9210.695
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 1027 Hits: 6 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1535.365 Skill Threat: 2686.88875
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 3372 Hits: 37 Crits: Dmg Threat: 5041.14 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 37778 Overheal: 65&#37; Threat: 13222.3
Earthshield:
Amount: 10871 Overheal: 6% Threat: 10218.74
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 64126 Overheal: 5% Threat: 60919.7

Total amount of dmg threat: 228735
Total amount of skill threat: 86970.50375
Total amount of healing threat: 48791.52

TPS: 969.40697805851

This fight is very relaxed as far as needed TPS, everyone is in SR so they have very low threat, really no need to go crazy here.

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A lifebloom is an insane health stabilizer, especially if you have multiple lifeblooms being refreshed and not blooming unless needed. For PoM you should be the primary target since you are constantly taking damage it will jump off of you immediately and possibly back on to you. For Earth Shield there really isn't a better target for it to be applied to, it's beneficial in two ways (threat and acts like an on demand hot).

I would strongly encourage you to speak with your healers about directing these abilities onto you. You provide the cap for your DPS, the higher you go the higher they can go comfortably.

If you look at our Teron kill the warlock who pumped 1600 dps was putting out around 1100+ tps. Healing threat is a great addition to what you can already do, it will never hurt to raise the threat cap a little higher.

Marsellus
11-29-2007, 04:16 PM
A lifebloom is an insane health stabilizer, especially if you have multiple lifeblooms being refreshed and not blooming unless needed. For PoM you should be the primary target since you are constantly taking damage it will jump off of you immediately and possibly back on to you. For Earth Shield there really isn't a better target for it to be applied to, it's beneficial in two ways (threat and acts like an on demand hot).

I would strongly encourage you to speak with your healers about directing these abilities onto you. You provide the cap for your DPS, the higher you go the higher they can go comfortably.

If you look at our Teron kill the warlock who pumped 1600 dps was putting out around 1100+ tps. Healing threat is a great addition to what you can already do, it will never hurt to raise the threat cap a little higher.

I agree, and I posted about it on our guild website as well. So far only a priest has responded and she said that on fights like teron where the whole raid is taking damage, she'd rather give them the cheap PoM and let direct heals cover me. I'm not one to argue since healing is not my forte, but she did say she'd try to toss me a few more than she used to.

As far as group stacking goes, I doubt I'll see much love because the majority of our DPS just isn't pushing the ceiling.

Ciderhelm
12-06-2007, 08:58 PM
I stacked my group a bit differently. I did better with abilities but about the same with rage. I did not wear three pieces of more-beneficial gear (the significant missing piece was Bulwark of the Ancient Kings).

This is a bit higher than the original parse:

Ciderhelm - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/6bc51tlnrafb3?a=71&s=8542-8815)

Battle time in seconds: 268

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 70777 Hits: 105 Crits: 18 Dmg Threat: 105811.615 Skill Threat: 40454.7
Shield slam:
Amount: 33220 Hits: 25 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 49663.9 Skill Threat: 12851.02
Melee:
Amount: 23600 Hits: 43 Crits: 14 Dmg Threat: 35282 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 15704 Hits: 30 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 23477.48 Skill Threat: 10216.83
Devastate:
Amount: 26321 Hits: 47 Crits: 12 Dmg Threat: 39349.895 Skill Threat: 8908.705
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: 1573 Hits: 68 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2351.635 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 8951 Overheal: 19&#37; Threat: 7250.31
Earthshield:
Amount: 30261 Overheal: 6% Threat: 28445.34
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 19352 Overheal: 39% Threat: 11804.72

Total amount of dmg threat: 255936.525
Total amount of skill threat: 72431.255
Total amount of healing threat: 27375.34

TPS: 1327.3997014925

robeh
01-10-2008, 05:38 PM
Very nice parse. I think with a full expertise set (Gloves) and max +hit (boots) I could go even higher.

Robeh - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/2vgd33rkwxxra?s=3642-3902&a=4)

Battle time in seconds: 258

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 56152 Hits: 91 Crits: 25 Dmg Threat: 83947.24 Skill Threat: 38152.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 37978 Hits: 24 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 56777.11 Skill Threat: 14227.915
Melee:
Amount: 28229 Hits: 62 Crits: 24 Dmg Threat: 42202.355 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 16221 Hits: 28 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 24250.395 Skill Threat: 10817.82
Devastate:
Amount: 22619 Hits: 56 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 33815.405 Skill Threat: 9965.67
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 723 Hits: 4 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1080.885 Skill Threat: 1891.54875
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 2451 Hits: 27 Crits: Dmg Threat: 3664.245 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 11394 Overheal: 81% Threat: 2164.86
Earthshield:
Amount: 23790 Overheal: 9% Threat: 21648.9
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 18855 Overheal: 27% Threat: 13764.15

Total amount of dmg threat: 245737.635
Total amount of skill threat: 75055.35375
Total amount of healing threat: 19871.385

TPS: 1320.4045494186

cael
01-12-2008, 10:52 AM
I would like parse my tps in a similar fashion. Only i cannot find how to do this. Is there a reference guide or somthing that could help me?

Fame
01-12-2008, 11:22 AM
Cael - post your WWS and then submit your personal page to
Kenneth Gant Niebuhr - Online portfolie (http://www.coolyo.org/?area=threat)

chengt
01-12-2008, 01:13 PM
I entered Ciderhelm's URL into that page but the last line (TPS) is empty.
Am I suppose to use a different URL?

Fame
01-12-2008, 02:02 PM
They recently changed the WWS format, and that threat calc might not be updated for it. Since the change went in yesterday, the WWS website stil has some bugs, so I woud give it a few. /shrug

Xav
01-13-2008, 01:44 AM
TPS epeen thread?!?! How did I not see this earlier!

Secure - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/6f5rylwqa2vqm?s=1683-1911&a=13)

Total amount of dmg threat: 202683.13
Total amount of skill threat: 70278.82875
Total amount of healing threat: 21555.53
Total threat: 294518
Duration: 226 seconds (02:34'03 to 02:37'49)
TPS: 1303

^^ "Naked" group parse, mediocre +hit and expertise worn for that parse


Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/irhuak1p2dftg?s=14149-14347&a=4)

Total amount of dmg threat: 201926.66
Total amount of skill threat: 63220.56
Total amount of healing threat: 13111.05
Total threat: 278258
Duration: 192 seconds (05:57'34 to 06:00'46)
TPS: 1449

WWS Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/ba5suqkj6bboa?s=11954-12158&a=41)

Total amount of dmg threat: 210400.32
Total amount of skill threat: 64573.535
Total amount of healing threat: 27269.2
Total threat: 302243
Duration: 202 seconds (05:21'48 to 05:25'10)
TPS: 1496


I derived the TPS manually, since I've already looked at these reports before the WWS format changed, and you can do it simply yourself by taking the information provided, it's just on different pages, and doing it yourself.

Still not capped out, haven't yet combined a feral druid AND a WF totem, and haven't had a survival hunter, either. So giddy! Going to obviously have fun once Darkmoon Faire rolls around and we decide to use it, big numbers!

Fame
01-13-2008, 05:35 AM
big numbers!

NOT AS BIG AS MINE, SUCKA!

Xav
01-13-2008, 12:17 PM
can't see your warriors threat for some reason gee whiz!

byechee
01-14-2008, 05:41 PM
i need someone to tclap and demo for me :(

robeh
01-16-2008, 02:51 PM
Sup Byechee!

Anways, still no +hit boots or +expertise gloves X_X. Once I get them I will repost and use the absolute best group setup possible to see how far I can take it.

Xav what was the exact group setup and spec's of the 1449 tps parse?

Did you have a Blood Frenzy warrior, Expose weakness hunter? CoR etc I am curious =]

byechee
01-16-2008, 03:32 PM
this week i'm just gonna screw using tclap and demo shout. hopefully all 3 locks show up, and hopefully one of our hunters is still survival. And i'm going to try to convince a holy pally to spend his extra points in imp judgment of the crusader lul.

and maybe i'll ninja the enh shaman from the melee group too! (not bloodly likely).

p.s. sup robeh, i finally got a shield ^_^. i got your bewtz and gloves, but you probably have the belt and supremus ring on me.

p.p.s. last i tried that threat site just gives me errors when I try to input my parses :(

Xav
01-16-2008, 08:15 PM
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/bmgwfzrdwhwyi?s=2173-2329)

1530 TPS tonight! Definite new high.

You can see the raid comp in the WWS, had one of everything basically, which is typical (survival, blood frenzy, etc). I used standard threat gear, 4 piece T6, gorefiend gloves, Pepe's, Mallet, etc - nothing "suicidal"

veneretio
01-25-2008, 12:53 PM
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/bmgwfzrdwhwyi?s=2173-2329)

1530 TPS tonight! Definite new high.

You can see the raid comp in the WWS, had one of everything basically, which is typical (survival, blood frenzy, etc). I used standard threat gear, 4 piece T6, gorefiend gloves, Pepe's, Mallet, etc - nothing "suicidal"
Hey do you know what your buffed hit and expertise rating was for this?

Xav
01-25-2008, 09:11 PM
Uh I'm not hit capped in my threat set, no real way to achieve that with the setup I want currently, when I get Kaz'rogal's shield I'll be hitcapped. (I'm 1.7&#37; hit or so from the cap in the set I wear on Gorefiend). Expertise I get up to -8.75% each, which is 35 expertise skill. I wear all the standard pieces, including the Shapeshifter's Signet. The most recent parse (which I didn't link here, but have it below, I didn't try hard for threat on past the first 60 seconds, due to massive raid failure), was still a 1500+ tps log, but a different setup.

I was at 5.71% hit (90 rating), 35 expertise, in this parse: (1511 tps, newer) Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/ndzapmto2zlaw?s=77-227&a=3)
and the older one I was actually using Pepe's instead of the PvP cloak, and had 7.29% hit (115 rating).

I naturally have room to improve there by capping my hit out, but can't really do it too easily in my gear for it atm. (I swap out my cloak to the pvp cloak, so that's why I lose hit, but gain some crit, ap, and armor pen, that's the only swap I make).

I may be gemming an extra tank belt for hit while I wait for Kaz'rogal's shield.

Malignus
01-27-2008, 03:35 PM
My personal best on Gorefiend. Only group buff I recieved was a kitty druid.

WWS Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/qmz1ouixve2wa?s=13851-14128&a=49)

Only difference between then & now is that my hit rating is capped, lost some SBV, and my parry is a little higher from upgrading to Prae Legs from T5.

Battle time in seconds: 278

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 63269 Hits: 107 Crits: 29 Dmg Threat: 94587.155 Skill Threat: 44730.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 26923 Hits: 22 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 40249.885 Skill Threat: 13309.985
Melee:
Amount: 8554 Hits: 29 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 12788.23 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14851 Hits: 28 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 22202.245 Skill Threat: 10517.325
Devastate:
Amount: 17933 Hits: 37 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 26809.835 Skill Threat: 7549.75
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 1414 Hits: 8 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2113.93 Skill Threat: 3699.3775
Reflect:
Amount: 673 Hits: 29 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1006.135 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 3146 Hits: 31 Crits: Dmg Threat: 4703.27 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 7943 Overheal: 55% Threat: 3574.35
Earthshield:
Amount: 25908 Overheal: 14% Threat: 22280.88
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 28935 Overheal: 17% Threat: 24016.05

Total amount of dmg threat: 204460.685
Total amount of skill threat: 79806.8375
Total amount of healing threat: 26722.815

TPS: 1118.670278777

Wartorn
01-29-2008, 02:31 PM
How are you guys hitting so hard? My average damage is way lower than most of you guys.

I have a mallet, expertise softcap, and ~7&#37; here. Wartorn - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/wccrcs656aefk?s=3363-3633&a=21)

Total amount of dmg threat: 194403.82
Total amount of skill threat: 77662.63375
Total amount of healing threat: 32397.86

TPS: 1127.6456064815

Wartorn
01-29-2008, 03:25 PM
Yes, Yes, No. We even have a survival huntard, but no Imp. Hunter's Mark.

Still can't figure out how Xav's avg melee hit is 100 damage more than mine.

/sadface

Kazeyonoma
01-30-2008, 12:50 AM
I call Hax.

Xav
01-30-2008, 02:05 PM
Paladin threat aint got nothin! :) :) :)

Wartorn, given that even my Revenges were all over 10&#37; larger than yours, I think it can be safely attributed to executioner enchant. That, and perhaps I had a higher (100%?) uptime of SoE, battle shout, and so forth, than you.

Edit: Judging from the fact that my average hit taken was also substantially less damage than you, this is probably just a matter of overall raid "togetherness" and uptime of buffs. Demo, Sblock, TC, Battle shout, expose weakness, soe, etc. (Although I do Ironshield, that's gonna cut off 500ish damage, not 1300~)

Wartorn
01-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Thanks for the feedback Xav. I'll probably start gathering mats for Executioner today. Also, after analyzing our WWS I noticed I need to tighten up my threat rotation as well.

I guess that the difference between trailblazers and coattailers, huh?

/swoon

Edit : New weapon (swiftsteel), no enchant. Tightened up my rotation a bit, but I still have room for improvement.

Total amount of dmg threat: 254888.53
Total amount of skill threat: 97964.36
Total amount of healing threat: 44936.1

TPS: 1353.0237755102

Wartorn - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/k31zgl2logz3i?s=14260-14554&a=5)

Malignus
01-31-2008, 11:34 AM
I'm curious what kind of set ups you guys are using gear-wise for your Gorefiend benchmarks. Last night we did another round on Gorefiend, wearing the gear in my armory, with a resto shammy's WF totem, DPS warrior's battleshout, and a feral druid's crit bonus.

Log: Malignus - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/djxk2mqcbz2vk?s=17728-17977&a=37)

Result:
Total amount of dmg threat: 198621.215
Total amount of skill threat: 73384.69125
Total amount of healing threat: 19356.15

TPS: 1165.448225 :mad:

Rough breakdown of unbuffed stats from gear are:
HP: 17.2k
Armor: 17.4k
AP: 636
Hit rating: 142
Crit: 11.99%
Expertise: 21 (5.25% dodge/parry reduction)
Defense: 506
Dodge: 24.57%
Parry: 19.28%
Block: 20.04%
Passive SBV: 440

I reviewed my threat rotation, and it was a near-perfect 5 minutes of the SS->Rev->Dev->Dev rotation, obviously weaving in HS as rage allowed. 2 rounds of Autoblocker buff (I saved these to coincide with bloodrage cooldowns to not waste SS's to rage starvation). I even timed 90% of my shield slams to coincide with shield block for the extra SBV from the 2 pc. T5 bonus.

Any assistance in increasing this would be appreciated. At this point, I'm not convinced I can do much more without particular BT upgrades dropping, such as Gurtogg's Belt, Legionkiller, and stuff off bosses we haven't killed yet (Shaz/Council/Illidan). I'd love to run Naxx for the Sapphiron trinket, but no one on our server wants to do it anymore.

Xav
01-31-2008, 05:24 PM
I think I already wrote it once, but anyway. I use 4 piece T6, with gorefiend gloves, and Shapeshifter's Signet. I've worn a worse threat suit and pulled 1300+ multiple times, with worse group makeups. (Worse in that I was missing expertise and even more hit). Note I'm also not hit capped, and am 1-2&#37; off from the hitcap in any of my setups currently.

You should be able to pull 1300+ easily with the setup you have and that group, if not 1400+

One comment though is that your shield slams are very small, abnormally small, that almost doesn't look right. My average shield slams are like 1000, and that's without stacking block gear, but that is 4 piece T6 bonus. Your average is 600, and your max only 1200?

I don't use two threat trinkets, I just use autoblocker + moroes pocket watch.

I don't really know why your threat is so low, but I'd get Executioner first off if you want higher threat, the rest might be just better gear choices of button pushing. :? Also get badge bracers.

Another edit: I just looked at a WWS of me tanking Gorefiend months ago in terrible gear, and had drastically higher numbers for shield slam, and similar numbers for melee hits/heroic. I was using Partial T5, and no BT tanking items. This was also before ZA was out. The log isn't threat-calculator-able because it's from a locally hosted WWS which is in a different format.

Another edit: You're having far too many regular swings in there. You shouldn't really be rage starved with that type of gear, since your avoidance isn't high. My average normal melee % is like 5-9%, yours is 15% there.

This is the gear I use, only moused over boots cause the rest is obvious just stam gems. That's an extra pair of Myrmidons so I put hit in them. I use Dory's Embrace lately instead of Pepe's, which is a tradeoff of hit/dodge for crit/ap/armor pen, nothing too huge when you look at the alternative cloak really.

ImageShack - Hosting :: threatnz0.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=threatnz0.jpg)

That's as arms so I'm missing the expertise from Defiance, and the AP/STR (and stam) from vitality.
The gun is gemmed +10 hit also. Screenshot was taken in berserker stance, so my crit is 3 lower than that actually. Just slapped it on between queues, sorry.

Another late edit: You aren't getting Earth Shield, however you are getting PoM, which is basically as good, so it's a wash. If you got ES and PoM your threat would be higher, since they're a nice amount of healing threat. (I generally don't get PoM)

gyre
02-01-2008, 12:17 AM
I did gorefiend last night and got a poorly 900-ish tps. /cry. Could somebody cast their eyes over this and see what I messed up on.

I've currently logged out in the kit I was using on gorefiend.

I guess I could have used shapeshifters / mallet / autoblocker to get a bit more threat too.

Thanks.

WWS Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/iqusv4u6jbmmk?s=9027-9298&a=11)

Battle time in seconds: 272

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 36213 Hits: 85 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 54138.435 Skill Threat: 30258.8
Shield slam:
Amount: 26108 Hits: 28 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 39031.46 Skill Threat: 14227.915
Melee:
Amount: 14240 Hits: 53 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 21288.8 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14571 Hits: 34 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 21783.645 Skill Threat: 11118.315
Devastate:
Amount: 15501 Hits: 51 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 23173.995 Skill Threat: 8153.73
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 1416 Hits: 8 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2116.92 Skill Threat: 3704.61
Reflect:
Amount: 633 Hits: 31 Crits: Dmg Threat: 946.335 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 3212 Overheal: 100% Threat: 4.5474735088646E-13
Earthshield:
Amount: 7716 Overheal: 3% Threat: 7484.52
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 41095 Overheal: 11% Threat: 36574.55

Total amount of dmg threat: 162479.59
Total amount of skill threat: 67463.37
Total amount of healing threat: 22029.535

TPS: 926.36946691176

-- gyre --

byechee
02-01-2008, 03:21 AM
@gyre/kanga: you didn't have wf, so that's pretty huge. keeping up tclap hurts a lot, as well as demo shout if u had to keep that up. your gear choices seem fine, maybe swap in the supremus ring or the tk trash ring for the sundered souls as it should help you with threat and get you a bit more rage as well so you can toss in more HS's.

gyre
02-01-2008, 04:53 AM
Okey dokey. Will try that next time. Thx.

-- gyre --

Kavtor
02-01-2008, 08:00 AM
TC isn't so bad to keep up. It isn't a great threat move, but it's not bad. And it takes a fair amount of time for a DPS warrior to stance dance to keep it up. Demo shout should certainly be put up by an OT though if you can manage.

byechee
02-01-2008, 09:50 AM
yeah, but in the spirit of this epeen thread, forgo tclap next time. you'll get more rage too. just warn your healers. lul.

Jylina
02-01-2008, 11:28 AM
I know that this thread is all about Gorefiend at this point, but I kind of want to put this where I know the warriors are really good... Do any of you by chance have WWS or threat parses from fights where you were doing the T4/T5 transition fights((Gruul/Lurker)) back before you were in T6 gear, just trying to get an idea of where I should be... I'm still getting back into the warrior tanking thing for post BC raids, and there were a few people in my guild that were having threat issues. One of them is a mage who in our raid groups normally is pushing like 50&#37; crit with 1k+ spell damage, and the other is a well geared rogue were the two big ones that I was talking to. I saw really quickly one of the places where I was seriously screwing up((had to break myself out of sundertard tanking...yes its been that long)), and was able to tack on about 100ish threat per second according to the logs on Gruul, but the numbers still seem to low for me to be happy. I have had terrible luck on drops so I dont have a lot of the things that would really spike my SBV, and had to fill in other spots before I could get the autoblocker because drops hated me.

Anyways if any of you could at least say where you remember the threat you were pulling or post parses I would really appreciate it. Also maybe for Lurker because the only other fight I saw that had a parse for it was from a guild that did lurker in like 1/4th the time we did so there were way fewer dive phases so i couldnt tell if my threat really did suck or if it was just all the dive phases where i wasnt really doing any real threat.

I was looking at your parses and trying to just compare the damage per ability we were doing and the one I clicked on was doing more then 200 per shield slam, and basically 30-50 more on average from every other tracked ability, but that doesnt quite seem like it would explain the 700 more TPS then im pulling. of course endless rage allowing never ending heroic strikes might explain the rest. I just don't want to be holding my guild back... and yes I'm only pulling about 615 TPS on gruul... trying to get better so any advice will help.

Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Jylina)

byechee
02-01-2008, 04:41 PM
1. Put a shaman in your group and have them drop windfury. This should solve most issues. If not...

2. on top of the autoblocker get a brooch of deftness. i think that's 76 badges. a KD will be better for threat as well, put executioner on it if you'd like. Also pick up a T4 helm, or if you have access to hexlord, a battlesworn tuskguard. those are a few of the simplest gear upgrades I can come up with.

3. make sure your rotation is tight. shield slam, revenge, 2x devastate, rinse repeat. replace devastates with tclap when you need to, and ask another warrior to keep up demo. if you find yourself rage starved, go ahead and forgo the tclaps. HS when you have the rage to do so, but again don't go crazy on it if you're rage starved.

I wish I still had old wws's to share with you, but i'm too cheap to pay for good wws services. you should be able to pull 900-1000 easy, which should be more than enough to stay ahead of your dps granted they have salv. make sure they don't dps too early and are using a threatmeter. oh, and ask for misdirects.

Jylina
02-01-2008, 06:16 PM
We're often short on shamans, one or less in almost every raid is it enough of a boost where I could make a legitimate case to take it away from the DPSers? I know that might be a bit of a noob question but this is the first guild I've been in that had that few.

Yeah, Kings Defender and Mallet of the Tides refuse to drop for me, otherwise I'd have them, we dont do ZA much and haven't really gotten to far so as of right now thats not an option. And the DPS isnt stealing agro, but have run into issues with having to hold back after a bit.

I've been as tight with the rotation as possible, while I might be a bit slow, if I should be pushing 900 I'm not THAT slow heh. Is thunderclap a better threat ability than say the devastate it would take out of the cooldown? Because I've had an offtank doing that and Demo on most fights.

From my end they have said it got better once I reealized I was being an idiot neglecting HS, but I just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to support our continued success. I know that there are some times during both of the fights where I have guild logs to look at where I'm not doing anything, but even factoring that in I really did feel like 615 seemed low, if its just a case of drops that arent happening for me yet thats one thing, but it just seems like if I really should be pulling 900-100 that somethings totally not cool... from what I've seen actually looking at omen during the times where its just me and the boss I am getting near 900 on both Lurker and Gruul, assuming im not getting a chain of avoids where I end up not being able to HS, but using that parse website the gruul fight showed 615, dont know what I'm doing...

anyways thanks for the input, I'm planning on both the brooch and Autoblocker, but was filling in pieces that just werent dropping for me first so they've been getting pushed back. I kind of regret the necklace choice... but at the time I made it, it seemed good in my head... now i just have to remember why.

Alpiino
02-04-2008, 02:31 PM
My wws from Teron: Alpiino - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/jotbvbidddly5?s=7282-7611&a=22)

Battle time in seconds: 330

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 59052 Hits: 115 Crits: 23 Dmg Threat: 88282.74 Skill Threat: 45388.2
Shield slam:
Amount: 41530 Hits: 38 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 62087.35 Skill Threat: 19735.495
Melee:
Amount: 14487 Hits: 34 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 21658.065 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 20540 Hits: 40 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 30707.3 Skill Threat: 14724.255
Devastate:
Amount: 24895 Hits: 71 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 37218.025 Skill Threat: 12381.59
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: 1750 Hits: 79 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2616.25 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 2553 Hits: 28 Crits: Dmg Threat: 3816.735 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 4401 Overheal: 33% Threat: 2948.67
Earthshield:
Amount: 16670 Overheal: 12% Threat: 14669.6
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 53921 Overheal: 9% Threat: 49068.11

Total amount of dmg threat: 246386.465
Total amount of skill threat: 92229.54
Total amount of healing threat: 34817.525

TPS: 1131.6167575758

% of damage done
Heroic Strike 35 %
Shield Slam 25 %
Devastate 15 %
Revenge 23 %
Melee 8 %
Vengeance (Holy) 1 %
Reflect (Nature) 1 %

When inspecting other WWS in here I noticed that the % of damage done by different skills in my WWS looks quite same than for example Ciders who I assume to know how the best threat rotation goes. Therefore I assume my threat rotation is ok. SS,Rev,Dev,Dev + occassional HS.
Only BT/hyjal loot I used at the kill was Kaz'rogals shield, rest was SSC/Eye loot+badge loot so I guess I did ok when comparing to my gearlevel.

Aelvain
02-04-2008, 05:41 PM
Paladin threat aint got nothin! :) :) :)

Wartorn, given that even my Revenges were all over 10% larger than yours, I think it can be safely attributed to executioner enchant. That, and perhaps I had a higher (100%?) uptime of SoE, battle shout, and so forth, than you.

Edit: Judging from the fact that my average hit taken was also substantially less damage than you, this is probably just a matter of overall raid "togetherness" and uptime of buffs. Demo, Sblock, TC, Battle shout, expose weakness, soe, etc. (Although I do Ironshield, that's gonna cut off 500ish damage, not 1300~)

There's also a gear difference as wells as the fact that your raid dps is nearly twice as high. Shorter fight means a larger % of dps time is with heroism, for example.

Ferro
02-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Here's my parse from last nights Gorefiend kill....

I figured I post it as I feel It's a nice comparison for those without top-notch threat gear and without prefect setup. I think this was our guilds 3rd kill of this boss.

Backround:
Only T6 level gear I had as of last night is: Kaz Shield, Akamas Legs, Hyjal rev. ring.
No windfury Totem
And I had to do the Tclapping, and some demo-shouting.
No Executioner Enchant


WWS Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/cqt1me24xzwto?s=6640-6938&a=14#abilities)

Battle time in seconds: 299

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 61482 Hits: 107 Crits: 22 Dmg Threat: 91915.59 Skill Threat: 42428.1
Shield slam:
Amount: 39810 Hits: 30 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 59515.95 Skill Threat: 16981.705
Melee:
Amount: 6206 Hits: 23 Crits: 1 Dmg Threat: 9277.97 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14975 Hits: 31 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 22387.625 Skill Threat: 10817.82
Devastate:
Amount: 22886 Hits: 60 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 34214.57 Skill Threat: 10418.655
Shield Bash:
Amount: 67 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 100.165 Skill Threat: 343.85
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 1421 Hits: 8 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2124.395 Skill Threat: 3717.69125
Reflect:
Amount: 1583 Hits: 62 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2366.585 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 23305 Overheal: 37% Threat: 14682.15
Earthshield:
Amount: 7899 Overheal: 10% Threat: 7109.1
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 53093 Overheal: 10% Threat: 47783.7

Total amount of dmg threat: 221902.85
Total amount of skill threat: 84707.82125
Total amount of healing threat: 42128.55

TPS: 1166.3519105351


...AND he dropped the Gloves!! :)

Moraval
02-07-2008, 04:03 PM
I am looking at my threat numbers on WWS on this fight and Im just WAY behind where I should be I think. This is wearing 21 expertise, using executioner enchanted Unbreakable Will and some SB gear (T5 pants, gorefiend gloves, autoblocker). I did get rage starved once in the fight, but generally spreaking I was pretty tight on my rotation.

Comparing my numbers to what others have posted for fights about the same length in time I am critting a LOT less, when I do hit, I hit for less damage. Is the difference between 850 tps and 1200 tps really having LoTP and WF in your group? How do you justify taking those buffs away from your melee?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


http://wowwebstats.com/dokumq5tqt52w?a=10&s=9451-9765

Battle time in seconds: 319

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 41398 Hits: 104 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 61890.01 Skill Threat: 37165.7
Shield slam:
Amount: 29768 Hits: 34 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 44503.16 Skill Threat: 17440.67
Melee:
Amount: 13710 Hits: 64 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 20496.45 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 15020 Hits: 36 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 22454.9 Skill Threat: 11719.305
Devastate:
Amount: 11345 Hits: 42 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 16960.775 Skill Threat: 6643.78
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 2411 Hits: 14 Crits: Dmg Threat: 3604.445 Skill Threat: 6307.77875
Reflect:
Amount: 970 Hits: 40 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1450.15 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 26185 Overheal: 71% Threat: 7593.65
Earthshield:
Amount: 17909 Overheal: 9% Threat: 16297.19
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 3477 Overheal: 57% Threat: 1495.11

Total amount of dmg threat: 171359.89
Total amount of skill threat: 79277.23375
Total amount of healing threat: 16489.8

Dough
02-07-2008, 05:25 PM
Figured I might as well contribute. Wearing 4/5 and Gloves of Enforcement, SSC Mallet and the Autoblocker. 5.26% hit / 25 (6.25%) expertise. Curse of Recklessness and Faerie Fire on the boss. The MT group looked something like 'Protection warrior (me), Rogue, Protection Paladin, Feral Druid, Resto Shaman'. Overall, I should have been doing more, but I blame my shaman for not popping Heroism, and the lack of Battleshout.

Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/txawa64olytl3?s=8146-8380)

Battle time in seconds: 235

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 51377 Hits: 99 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 76808.615 Skill Threat: 37823.5
Shield slam:
Amount: 29914 Hits: 27 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 44721.43 Skill Threat: 13768.95
Melee:
Amount: 6158 Hits: 21 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 9206.21 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 11450 Hits: 25 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 17117.75 Skill Threat: 8413.86
Devastate:
Amount: 19119 Hits: 40 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 28582.905 Skill Threat: 8002.735
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: 1254 Hits: 53 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1874.73 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 307 Hits: 3 Crits: Dmg Threat: 458.965 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 27657 Overheal: 46% Threat: 14934.78
Earthshield:
Amount: 25241 Overheal: 14% Threat: 21707.26
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 24458 Overheal: 22% Threat: 19077.24

Total amount of dmg threat: 178770.605
Total amount of skill threat: 68009.045
Total amount of healing threat: 35327.03

TPS: 1200.4539574468

Ariedan
02-07-2008, 08:25 PM
How accurate is this? Because when I did Gorefiend, every time I looked at Omen, my threat was at a steady 1200-1500, sometimes scaling considerably higher. However, when I plugged my WWS into that site, it said I did about like 1100-ish sustained TPS.

Xav
02-07-2008, 09:49 PM
The calculator is very accurate. Omen shows threat on a shorter sampling period, it's several seconds at most, unlike the WWS parser which analyzes it from the moment you engage till the moment the mob dies. You're probably sustaining 1200-1500 most of the time, but any little lack of action for a while where you're rage starved and sitting at 800-900, really adds up, and that's why the OVERALL sustained is lower.

Moraval: I've obtained over 1200 TPS sustained without either WF or LoTP, and 1300+ with just one of them. It's a decent bonus for sure but not the end-all-be-all. Generally, tanks receive the buffs when there's no better place to put those classes. Often the tank group just turns into a second DPS group, if that's your raid style. Typical melee group 1 is 3 rogues, warrior, enh shaman. Other group can be resto shaman, tank, another dps warrior, or a warrior offtank, (or paladin), and a feral, or some other combination. It's very common to raid with at least 3 shamans, often 4, because they're a very very strong class, and feral druids are pretty common as well, and they don't go in the rogue group, usually.

As for your WWS results, you're not heroic striking nearly enough. I find it unlikely you were rage starved if you were using the gear you claimed. Keeping up a general rotation and using heroics with the extra rage on Gorefiend should put you at a much lower &#37; of plain melee attacks. You had a feral druid in the raid so I don't see why it didn't go to you. You also had some hunters. I think your problem lies in overall group synergy not being taken advantage of, which ends up hurting your threat. Also, you have a moonkin, so the 3% hit you're gaining from that - are you using those itemization points saved by putting on differently weighted gear for threat?

You may want to take a look at this guide I wrote: http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/35313-generating-threat.html

Xav
02-07-2008, 10:13 PM
More stuff: The "tightness" of your basic rotation has a lot of room for improvement.

Here are the total number of times we performed these abilities (this counts hits, crits, and total missed/dodged/parried attacks). Then, the maximum number you could possibly perform at peak efficiency, assuming NO LAG. Since that isn't possible, you can scrape off a couple of each as the fight goes on longer due to lag.

Moraval

37 ss
68 dev
47 rev

Fight Duration: 315 seconds = 52 possible ss/rev, 105 possible devastates


Xav

23 ss
44 dev
23 rev

Fight Duration: 157 seconds = 26 possible ss/rev, 52 possible devastates

SS should be as close to Rev as possible. If it's exactly equal; or equal +/- 1, it was probably a flawless run. (Ie - you couldn't possibly have squeezed any more in due to latency or other truly uncontrollable issues) The "1" is because the boss could have died before you hit the next button.

It's pretty simply derived, fight duration in seconds divided by 6 = the "ideal perfect" number of shield slams and revenges. Fight duration in seconds divided by 3 = the "ideal perfect" number of devastates. The log of mine I used ( WWS Loading... (http://wowwebstats.com/k34un5scxtzvm?s=2173-2329&a=4) ) is very close to the max theoretically possible. Not the max possible threat, but the max possible number of SS/Rev in that fight.

I find this to be a useful way to look at tank threat outside of just raw TPS, because you can generate threat in various ways without necessarily doing it the "right" or "best" way. Finally, the basic SS/Rev/Dev/Dev rotation takes very little rage at all to perform, so it's something that bad avoidance streaks don't really affect. If you see the ratios/numbers of times these abilities are used being rather suboptimal, you know that the tank is most likely hitting heroic strike at the wrong times and repeatedly starving themselves for rage to the point of being unable to do the basics. Or, they don't understand the basics.

I'll probably include this bit in my guide at some point soon.

Wartorn
02-08-2008, 11:07 AM
Weapon
Swiftsteel w/ Executioner

Unbuffed Stats
22 Expertise
16.74 Crit
8.69 Hit
794 AP

Buffs
Bloodlust
WF
SoE
Battle Shout
BoM
BoK

Parse
Wartorn - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/e2b6qjmnzflhg?s=4254-4500&a=12)

Total amount of dmg threat: 249267.33
Total amount of skill threat: 82533.7175
Total amount of healing threat: 27275.92

TPS: 1471.6269159836

I still have lots of room for improvement. Only hit 29/40 SS.

Xav
02-08-2008, 11:48 AM
You're looking at that wrong, the "Hits" doesn't count "Crits".

What I do is open the config menu for the display, and check the NB (number) of Crits and All Miss. (All Miss combines Dodge, Parry, and Miss on your attacks). That will let you see the actual number.

You shield slammed 36 times, 29 hit, 4 crit, 3 "missed". Or, less than 10&#37; were avoided, specifically the listed % of 8.3%

Numbers wont get much lower than that without luck - my offtank tanked Gorefiend this week and pulled just under 1600 TPS (he has a slightly better threat suit than I, since I let him have the Kaz'rogal shield as a massive upgrade over his previous not having Bulwark yet!). When I looked at his log, I saw that his overall miss rate on attacks was some amazingly low % of like 4% - which is super nice.

Wartorn
02-08-2008, 12:21 PM
Good call on the crits and "misses". I don't know why I always forget to look at those stats.

And thanks for again for all the help. I think I have pretty much hit my TPS ceiling.

Ariedan
02-08-2008, 09:29 PM
The calculator is very accurate. Omen shows threat on a shorter sampling period, it's several seconds at most, unlike the WWS parser which analyzes it from the moment you engage till the moment the mob dies. You're probably sustaining 1200-1500 most of the time, but any little lack of action for a while where you're rage starved and sitting at 800-900, really adds up, and that's why the OVERALL sustained is lower.


Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!

I recently got the expertise neck, so next time I tank Gorefiend I'll post the WWS and ask you advice for improving. Thanks again!

Youkai
02-12-2008, 01:52 PM
May be hiding in plain sight but I cannot see on WWS a option to show tps. :/
Any idea where it is or do you lot actually calc. it yourself?

Edit: Found it, sorry.

Kind regards,
Youkai.

Caulle
02-12-2008, 08:59 PM
Was hoping to break 1200. Maybe next week.

Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/114hqxcrceamy?s=13768-14060)

Battle time in seconds: 292

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 62876 Hits: 106 Crits: 27 Dmg Threat: 93999.62 Skill Threat: 43743.7
Shield slam:
Amount: 30483 Hits: 29 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 45572.085 Skill Threat: 15145.845
Melee:
Amount: 17254 Hits: 58 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 25794.73 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14923 Hits: 31 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 22309.885 Skill Threat: 10817.82
Devastate:
Amount: 15017 Hits: 37 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 22450.415 Skill Threat: 6794.775
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 1545 Hits: 9 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2309.775 Skill Threat: 4042.10625
Reflect:
Amount: 1078 Hits: 42 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1611.61 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 605 Hits: 6 Crits: Dmg Threat: 904.475 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 16812 Overheal: 45% Threat: 9246.6
Earthshield:
Amount: 34223 Overheal: 5% Threat: 32511.85
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 49409 Overheal: 8% Threat: 45456.28

Total amount of dmg threat: 214952.595
Total amount of skill threat: 80544.24625
Total amount of healing threat: 48230.665

TPS: 1177.1489940068

Ariedan
02-13-2008, 10:20 PM
A small increase, but still nowhere I wanted to be. Should take into account, though, that my beginning threat was horrible. I also took a crushing blow because I was a split second too slow. Need to work on all of this.

Battle time in seconds: 285

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 66750 Hits: 138 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 99791.25 Skill Threat: 50650.6
Shield slam:
Amount: 30226 Hits: 33 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 45187.87 Skill Threat: 16063.775
Melee:
Amount: 10913 Hits: 37 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 16314.935 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 12754 Hits: 26 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 19067.23 Skill Threat: 9315.345
Devastate:
Amount: 22350 Hits: 57 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 33413.25 Skill Threat: 10116.665
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 36447 Overheal: 47&#37; Threat: 19316.91
Earthshield:
Amount: 25284 Overheal: 4% Threat: 24272.64
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 40978 Overheal: 3% Threat: 39748.66

Total amount of dmg threat: 213774.535
Total amount of skill threat: 86146.385
Total amount of healing threat: 51327.56

TPS: 1232.4508070175

http://wowwebstats.com/wk424x3klw5ga?s=9910-10195&a=61#summary
I have a lot I need to work on. This is actually my first time main tanking, other than SSC/TK and earlier content.

ttocs
02-14-2008, 07:56 AM
My best so far (Done him about 4 times, I guess?):

Battle time in seconds: 253

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 47825 Hits: 102 Crits: 15 Dmg Threat: 71498.375 Skill Threat: 38481.3
Shield slam:
Amount: 31407 Hits: 23 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 46953.465 Skill Threat: 13309.985
Melee:
Amount: 8558 Hits: 32 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 12794.21 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14388 Hits: 28 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 21510.06 Skill Threat: 10517.325
Devastate:
Amount: 20174 Hits: 59 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 30160.13 Skill Threat: 10267.66
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: 1459 Hits: 59 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2181.205 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 5349 Overheal: 59&#37; Threat: 2193.09
Earthshield:
Amount: 35328 Overheal: 4% Threat: 33914.88
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 27137 Overheal: 13% Threat: 23609.19

Total amount of dmg threat: 185097.445
Total amount of skill threat: 72576.27
Total amount of healing threat: 30955.125

TPS: 1140.8254545455

I can't get to the armory, but it should be in my threat gear. T5 shoulders/gloves, T6 legs, Glory of the Defender, Illidan helm, Badge neck and bracers, Mallet, Gruul shield, Autoblocker, Supremus ring, Honored BoE, Myrmidon's treads and Girdle of Stability.

I do have the gorefiend gloves, but they're not enchanted yet.

I didn't sync my shield blocks with shield slams either, but I was able to use my trinket twice. I had a resto shaman and Feral druid in my group. I had some issues with rage here and there (probably about 2-3 times throughout the fight).

Edit: Whoops, the WWS: Ttocs - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/pprz6tejgmeqm?s=6035-6288&a=11)

Ratholorn
02-20-2008, 07:39 AM
This week is I believe the best I've managed to do.
Ratholorn - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/2qmcjpwtlrqn5?s=8640-8878&a=77)
29 SS vs 26 Rev there's room to tighten up there
And I messed up the engage a little. Hope for 1400 next week I guess.


Battle time in seconds: 239

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 54999 Hits: 97 Crits: 19 Dmg Threat: 82223.505 Skill Threat: 38152.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 35749 Hits: 29 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 53444.755 Skill Threat: 15604.81
Melee:
Amount: 22469 Hits: 47 Crits: 19 Dmg Threat: 33591.155 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 13834 Hits: 26 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 20681.83 Skill Threat: 9615.84
Devastate:
Amount: 23423 Hits: 55 Crits: 11 Dmg Threat: 35017.385 Skill Threat: 9965.67
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 368 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 550.16 Skill Threat: 962.78
Reflect:
Amount: 1433 Hits: 63 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2142.335 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 1459 Hits: 15 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2181.205 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 6856 Overheal: 75&#37; Threat: 1714
Earthshield:
Amount: 28098 Overheal: 10% Threat: 25288.2
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 23545 Overheal: 9% Threat: 21425.95

Total amount of dmg threat: 229832.33
Total amount of skill threat: 74301.5
Total amount of healing threat: 25071.075

TPS: 1377.4263807531

Caulle
02-21-2008, 04:19 AM
Pretty happy with the increase this week. Still working on my rotation. My button layout wasn't very efficient I was finding so I rearranged them, and still getting used to it.

Battle time in seconds: 281

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 74299 Hits: 130 Crits: 36 Dmg Threat: 111077.005 Skill Threat: 54597.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 32920 Hits: 23 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 49215.4 Skill Threat: 13309.985
Melee:
Amount: 3088 Hits: 8 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 4616.56 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 16053 Hits: 31 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 23999.235 Skill Threat: 11418.81
Devastate:
Amount: 19299 Hits: 43 Crits: 15 Dmg Threat: 28852.005 Skill Threat: 8757.71
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: 1169 Hits: 49 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1747.655 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 3033 Hits: 30 Crits: Dmg Threat: 4534.335 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 22089 Overheal: 25% Threat: 16566.75
Earthshield:
Amount: 34859 Overheal: 14% Threat: 29978.74
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 58123 Overheal: 20% Threat: 46498.4

Total amount of dmg threat: 224042.195
Total amount of skill threat: 88083.905
Total amount of healing threat: 54805.32

TPS: 1305.8057651246

Ferro
02-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Finally Got a Shaman :)
Also Executioner makes a big difference.

Ferro - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/ecbssdhu132ok?s=5527-5747&a=14)

Battle time in seconds: 221

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 64326 Hits: 102 Crits: 22 Dmg Threat: 96167.37 Skill Threat: 40783.6
Shield slam:
Amount: 37666 Hits: 21 Crits: 8 Dmg Threat: 56310.67 Skill Threat: 13309.985
Melee:
Amount: 7541 Hits: 18 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 11273.795 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14109 Hits: 19 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 21092.955 Skill Threat: 8413.86
Devastate:
Amount: 18508 Hits: 44 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 27669.46 Skill Threat: 7549.75
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 954 Hits: 5 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1426.23 Skill Threat: 2495.9025
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 3352 Overheal: 52% Threat: 1608.96
Earthshield:
Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 68745 Overheal: 7% Threat: 63932.85

Total amount of dmg threat: 213940.48
Total amount of skill threat: 72553.0975
Total amount of healing threat: 33575.385

TPS: 1448.2758484163

Caulle
03-05-2008, 05:10 AM
Battle time in seconds: 238

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 74931 Hits: 125 Crits: 31 Dmg Threat: 112021.845 Skill Threat: 51308.4
Shield slam:
Amount: 31157 Hits: 27 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 46579.715 Skill Threat: 13309.985
Melee:
Amount: 5422 Hits: 14 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 8105.89 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 14808 Hits: 29 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 22137.96 Skill Threat: 10216.83
Devastate:
Amount: 18525 Hits: 42 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 27694.875 Skill Threat: 7851.74
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 394 Hits: 2 Crits: Dmg Threat: 589.03 Skill Threat: 1030.8025
Reflect:
Amount: 1915 Hits: 7 Crits: Dmg Threat: 2862.925 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 367 Hits: 4 Crits: Dmg Threat: 548.665 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 4766 Overheal: 66% Threat: 1620.44
Earthshield:
Amount: 31369 Overheal: 11% Threat: 27918.41
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 30778 Overheal: 10% Threat: 27700.2

Total amount of dmg threat: 220540.905
Total amount of skill threat: 83717.7575
Total amount of healing threat: 29429.745

TPS: 1402.0521323529

Nicki
03-10-2008, 11:16 AM
Enbee - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/wrsxofhp5icjk?s=5593-5807&a=15#abilities)

Holy : 167429,9 threat
normal:18395 threat
hsield:30526 threat
healing(nature): 12335,5 threat
healing(holy): 20038,35 threat
mana: 20845 threat

269569,75/215 = 1253,81 tps

Ret paladin in group.
Not mine!:

This is a threat parse of a paladin tank in t6 level gear with 60% avoidance 485 spell damage. Stupidly high avoidance but i thought id throw it out as an example since people do often wonder how their threat compares (aka whos is bigger contest)

shorto85
03-12-2008, 06:10 PM
My parse from last weeks Gorefiend kill:

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 65512 Hits: 112 Crits: 21 Dmg Threat: 97940.44 Skill Threat: 43743.7
Shield slam:
Amount: 26679 Hits: 24 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 39885.105 Skill Threat: 11933.09
Melee:
Amount: 11103 Hits: 30 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 16598.985 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 10934 Hits: 20 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 16346.33 Skill Threat: 7512.375
Devastate:
Amount: 19376 Hits: 51 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 28967.12 Skill Threat: 8455.72
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: 175 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 261.625 Skill Threat: 457.84375
Reflect:
Amount: 929 Hits: 38 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1388.855 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: 1137 Hits: 11 Crits: Dmg Threat: 1699.815 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 14209 Overheal: 51&#37; Threat: 6962.41
Earthshield:
Amount: 29620 Overheal: 20% Threat: 23696
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 4147 Overheal: 0% Threat: 4147

Total amount of dmg threat: 203088.275
Total amount of skill threat: 72102.72875
Total amount of healing threat: 20883.91

TPS: 1327.6901961883

Potta
03-23-2008, 06:46 AM
Battle time in seconds: 268

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 79824 Hits: 131 Crits: 21 Dmg Threat: 119336.88 Skill Threat: 49992.8
Shield slam:
Amount: 40119 Hits: 27 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 59977.905 Skill Threat: 15604.81
Melee:
Amount: 20895 Hits: 54 Crits: 9 Dmg Threat: 31238.025 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 16416 Hits: 31 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 24541.92 Skill Threat: 11118.315
Devastate:
Amount: 33018 Hits: 71 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 49361.91 Skill Threat: 12683.58
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: 363 Hits: 1 Crits: Dmg Threat: 542.685 Skill Threat: 194.35
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 9285 Overheal: 67% Threat: 3064.05
Earthshield:
Amount: 9703 Overheal: 0% Threat: 9703
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 38921 Overheal: 8% Threat: 35807.32

Total amount of dmg threat: 284999.325
Total amount of skill threat: 89593.855
Total amount of healing threat: 25819.21

TPS: 1494.0760820896

Pasch
03-23-2008, 04:17 PM
Is it normal that tanks have a shaman in their group :S?

Heres my best parse so far, without a shaman. Forgot to use sharpening stone though :P
And my healing threat seems to be way lower than most of you guys, should i ask my priests to spam prayer of mending on me? We usuallly dont want the lifeblooms to fall off since the healing is amazing.

I got my Girdle of Stability on this raid (after killing gorefiend). I'm still missing the Kaz'rogal shield which I would gem with a +10 hit rating gem. I was "forced" to use the blue trinket from heroic BF (+30 hit and armor penetration use) which I would replace with my autoblocker once i've got the shield. Having the belt+autoblocker would give me 160 more blockvalue passively (and +10&#37; extra from tier6 bonus) without reaally nerfing me in any way.

Pasch - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/hc4xcgnejtrwq?s=5922-6122&a=26)

Battle time in seconds: 201

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 44459 Hits: 61 Crits: 18 Dmg Threat: 66466.205 Skill Threat: 25983.1
Shield slam:
Amount: 26214 Hits: 22 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 39189.93 Skill Threat: 12392.055
Melee:
Amount: 15373 Hits: 34 Crits: 10 Dmg Threat: 22982.635 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge:
Amount: 11361 Hits: 24 Crits: 2 Dmg Threat: 16984.695 Skill Threat: 7812.87
Devastate:
Amount: 24696 Hits: 46 Crits: 13 Dmg Threat: 36920.52 Skill Threat: 8908.705
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Lifebloom:
Amount: 17670 Overheal: 85% Threat: 2650.5
Earthshield:
Amount: 8901 Overheal: 0% Threat: 8901
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 12087 Overheal: 11% Threat: 10757.43

Total amount of dmg threat: 182543.985
Total amount of skill threat: 55096.73
Total amount of healing threat: 12479.715

TPS: 1244.3802487562

teez
04-04-2008, 09:51 AM
Total amount of dmg threat: 217026.16
Total amount of skill threat: 66213.17625
Total amount of healing threat: 20315.615

TPS: 1249.1973302469


I missed ~3 SS & 3 Rev from my rotation which would have been considerably more threat right there (I tunnelvisioned due to a recruit getting shadowed and me being more concerned with watching him actually not failing - unbelievable, I know - at killing his constructs).

Was running 6.4% hit, 38 expertise (-9.5%) (Brutalizer, Brooch of Deftness, Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx, Shard of Contempt, Shapeshifter's Signet), saw 1% parry. Also had a 5% missrate on Devastate which was a bit unfortunate :/

LotP/Ret Aura/Battleshout/WF/SoE as group buffs. Other than my noobing it up on my rotation costing me some TPS, I'm guessing not having Executioner was a pretty big downside. Also, no MS/BF warrior or Survival Hunter would have probably gotten me a decent amount of extra threat. Take two next week I guess. I also need to regem my Kaz'rogal shield & probably put a BV enchant on it, since that's really all it's good for. Not having Gorefiend gloves (stupid things just will not drop, haven't seen them once since ... July I think?) is kind of annoying as well, being able to use a hit rating or armor pen ring would have been nice.

byechee
04-14-2008, 05:39 PM
Battle time in seconds: 175

Heroic Strike: Amount: 53436 Hits: 87 Crits: 16 Dmg Threat: 79886.82 Skill Threat: 33876.7
Shield slam: Amount: 30619 Hits: 18 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 45775.405 Skill Threat: 10556.195
Swing: Amount: 11335 Hits: 33 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 16945.825 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge: Amount: 10909 Hits: 23 Crits: 3 Dmg Threat: 16308.955 Skill Threat: 7812.87
Devastate: Amount: 18867 Hits: 44 Crits: 6 Dmg Threat: 28206.165 Skill Threat: 7549.75
Shield Bash: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Reflect: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0

Lifebloom: Amount: Overheal: % Threat: 0
Earthshield: Amount: 11636 Overheal: 8% Threat: 10705.12
Prayer of Mending: Amount: 16126 Overheal: 12% Threat: 14190.88

Total amount of dmg threat: 187123.17
Total amount of skill threat: 59795.515
Total amount of healing threat: 12448

TPS: 1482.0953428571

robeh
04-18-2008, 08:20 AM
Battle time in seconds: 180

Heroic Strike: Amount: 50832 Hits: 75 Crits: 14 Dmg Threat: 75993.84 Skill Threat: 29272.1
Shield slam: Amount: 33033 Hits: 22 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 49384.335 Skill Threat: 11933.09
Swing: Amount: 21131 Hits: 49 Crits: 7 Dmg Threat: 31590.845 Skill Threat: 0
Revenge: Amount: 11006 Hits: 21 Crits: 4 Dmg Threat: 16453.97 Skill Threat: 7512.375
Devastate: Amount: 19137 Hits: 42 Crits: 5 Dmg Threat: 28609.815 Skill Threat: 7096.765
Shield Bash: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Cleave: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunder Clap: Amount: 582 Hits: 3 Crits: Dmg Threat: 870.09 Skill Threat: 1522.6575
Reflect: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Vengeance: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Thunderfury: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0
Deep Wound: Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg Threat: 0 Skill Threat: 0

Lifebloom: Amount: 9944 Overheal: 67&#37; Threat: 3281.52
Earthshield: Amount: 11740 Overheal: 20% Threat: 9392
Prayer of Mending: Amount: 20375 Overheal: 10% Threat: 18337.5

Total amount of dmg threat: 202902.895
Total amount of skill threat: 57336.9875
Total amount of healing threat: 17146.27

TPS: 1541.0341805556

byechee
04-18-2008, 09:44 AM
how did you avg so much more dmg than me on all your attacks????? you are a witch.

robeh
04-18-2008, 11:19 AM
First, I must say last weekend was a blast out on the island Byechee. I honestly wasn't expecting to get attacked by you but it ended up being the funnest 3-4 hours I've had in a long time.

We should talk tank stuff sometime dude! Hop on our vent anytime =]

byechee
04-18-2008, 04:16 PM
i actually did hop on your vent during that, but you weren't on!

Xav
04-21-2008, 09:36 PM
Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/brpt4ffsp5ukc?s=4862-5034&a=30#abilities)

TPS: 1655.689132948

Would've actually been significantly higher if I wasn't avoiding so many attacks. Had nearly 70&#37; avoidance for the fight, stable rage generation was absolutely horrid. Yeah lots of group buffs and maxed expertise/hit, was testing threat potential. Nowhere near the highest I could do though due to the shitty rage, again. :|

gardek
04-22-2008, 07:19 AM
Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/brpt4ffsp5ukc?s=4862-5034&a=30#abilities)

TPS: 1655.689132948

Would've actually been significantly higher if I wasn't avoiding so many attacks. Had nearly 70% avoidance for the fight, stable rage generation was absolutely horrid. Yeah lots of group buffs and maxed expertise/hit, was testing threat potential. Nowhere near the highest I could do though due to the shitty rage, again. :|

Jesus.

WinchesterSH
04-23-2008, 06:54 PM
Prot Pala:
Winchester - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/a51k1muys1elm?s=1021-1251&a=1#abilities)

I have 485 spell dmg + wizard oil(42) + flask of binding light (80).
61&#37; avoidence raid buffed (not counting block ofc).

Sanctity Aura and Totem of Wrath in the group.
Frankly i was shocked at how much tps Spiritual attunement gave.

holy dmg * 1.9 / seconds of fight. (holy shield has *1.35 more)
non holy dmg / seconds of fight.
PoM/JoL *.5 * 1.9 / seconds of fight. (not counting overheal)
Earthshield/healthstone * .5 / seconds of fight. (not counting overheal)
Mana from SA * 1.9 / seconds of fight.
JoW * 1.9 / seconds of fight.
Mana tide totem / seconds of fight.
Mana spring / seconds of fight

1704.798tps

Xav
04-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Switched gear around and took off a lot of avoidance, typical stacked group (1 heroism - trinket proc has same name).

Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/yzvbqtgvnezqm?s=5127-5278&a=16)


Total amount of dmg threat: 220256.855
Total amount of skill threat: 61001.98
Total amount of healing threat: 28821.7462

TPS: 2040.0038236842

Ciderhelm
04-23-2008, 07:40 PM
Total amount of dmg threat: 220256.855
Total amount of skill threat: 61001.98
Total amount of healing threat: 28821.7462

TPS: 2040.0038236842
That is pretty much the sexiest thing ever.

WinchesterSH
04-23-2008, 08:38 PM
Switched gear around and took off a lot of avoidance, typical stacked group (1 heroism - trinket proc has same name).

Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/6dhgmeytw6vmu?s=5127-5278&a=16)


Total amount of dmg threat: 220256.855
Total amount of skill threat: 61001.98
Total amount of healing threat: 28821.7462

TPS: 2040.0038236842
damn you! :P

Edgewalker
04-24-2008, 06:55 AM
That is pretty much the sexiest thing ever.

Sunwell gear pretty much destroyed the tiny amount of sanity between the threat for the classes.

Kazeyonoma
04-24-2008, 09:05 AM
Holy crap xav. highest tps evar imo.

Edgewalker
04-24-2008, 01:21 PM
Holy crap xav. highest tps evar imo.

It will be pretty much standard now that tanks flat won't miss attacks.

Alpiino
04-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Switched gear around and took off a lot of avoidance, typical stacked group (1 heroism - trinket proc has same name).

Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/6dhgmeytw6vmu?s=5127-5278&a=16)


Total amount of dmg threat: 220256.855
Total amount of skill threat: 61001.98
Total amount of healing threat: 28821.7462

TPS: 2040.0038236842

Checked your wws. Looks like a pretty perfect rotation. 23 revenges, 23 shieldslams and 40 devastates. Crazy crit % on your skills. I bet you used quite a lot of dps gear. Also pretty crazy average swing damage there. What weapon did you use?

2040TPS sure is crazy but using dps gear :/

Xav
04-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Checked your wws. Looks like a pretty perfect rotation. 23 revenges, 23 shieldslams and 40 devastates. Crazy crit &#37; on your skills. I bet you used quite a lot of dps gear. Also pretty crazy average swing damage there. What weapon did you use?

2040TPS sure is crazy but using dps gear :/

The only way I can drop my dodge rate is to put on gear without dodge or agility. I used 3 piece vengeful, rest was tank gear. I used Blade of Savagery from mother shahraz

I could have done a very similar log threat-wise by not using DPS gear, but instead wearing very "bad" tank gear with almost no avoidance. However, PvP gear was on hand because, well, I PvP.

To put it in perspective, my ideal "threat suit" still lands me at something like 60% avoidance in a raid setting, without actually trying to cater to avoidance at all. The only way to maximize your threat is to have stable rage gain, and vs a boss like gorefiend, high avoidance prevents that. I could have taken off gear altogether to reduce my avoidance, but then I'd be dropping massive amounts of armor and stamina. Thus the ideal solution is to put on PvP gear which has high stamina AND armor, but also happens to come with crit/str - not necessary, but certainly a gain.

I assure you if I could have stable rage gain in my normal threat suit with the high avoidance, I'd be able to pull quite near that TPS amount, minus the contribution from the extra ~5% crit. (The rest of the crit is just raid buffs/grp buffs)

Smokeater
04-24-2008, 04:37 PM
disregard

gardek
04-25-2008, 08:06 AM
Jesus.

gardek
04-25-2008, 08:16 AM
Also, you pulled off 1000 DPS while tanking. Whahuh?

Xav
04-25-2008, 11:36 AM
Also, you pulled off 1000 DPS while tanking. Whahuh?

Yeah, it was awesome.

Canadianpimp
04-27-2008, 05:58 PM
That's incredible Xav, well done.

chengt
04-28-2008, 12:59 AM
The only way I can drop my dodge rate is to put on gear without dodge or agility. I used 3 piece vengeful, rest was tank gear. I used Blade of Savagery from mother shahraz

...

To put it in perspective, my ideal "threat suit" still lands me at something like 60% avoidance in a raid setting, without actually trying to cater to avoidance at all. The only way to maximize your threat is to have stable rage gain, and vs a boss like gorefiend, high avoidance prevents that. I could have taken off gear altogether to reduce my avoidance, but then I'd be dropping massive amounts of armor and stamina. Thus the ideal solution is to put on PvP gear which has high stamina AND armor, but also happens to come with crit/str - not necessary, but certainly a gain.


What 3 pieces? And how much sta/armor unbuffed did that give you?
I'm curious cause recently I've been experimenting with using s3 helm for tanking trash and I love it although I lose about 300 hp from my helm but I gain some armor.
I would like to find a good balance to up my TPS while making sure that my healers aren't having to work overtime.

Xav
04-28-2008, 01:12 PM
Helm, Legs, Chest

I'm not prot atm but I think it would've given me 18500 armor and 15200 unbuffed hp as prot

I think there's a way I could min/max it some more but it isn't really needed, I just make halfway decent sets with the gear I've already got on me and go with that.

Droppy
05-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Gorefiend TPS can be boosted very good by healing threat via Prayer of Mending.
We have 3 holy priests in raid and look at amount of healing aggro from PoM:
Battle time in seconds: 216

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 56938 Hits: 94 Crits: 10 Dmg threat: 85122.31 Skill threat: 34205.6
Shield Slam:
Amount: 25318 Hits: 28 Crits: 3 Dmg threat: 37850.41 Skill threat: 14227.915
Devastate:
Amount: 24409 Hits: 53 Crits: 7 Dmg threat: 36491.455 Skill threat: 9059.7
Revenge:
Amount: 11724 Hits: 27 Crits: 2 Dmg threat: 17527.38 Skill threat: 8714.355
Swing:
Amount: 20715 Hits: 50 Crits: 5 Dmg threat: 30968.925 Skill threat: 0

Earth Shield:
Amount: 19713 Overheal: 0% Threat: 14735.4675
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 49952 Overheal: 13% Threat: 32485.0344
Lifebloom:
Amount: 4633 Overheal: 66% Threat: 1177.47695

Total amount of dmg threat: 207960.48
Total amount of skill threat: 66207.57
Total amount of healing threat: 48397.97885
TPS: 1493.3612446759

shinimegami
05-14-2008, 06:50 PM
new kid on the block ^^, been tanking for quite a while, but wanted to share my tps and looking for some tips on how to improve it.

Shinimegami - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/ieetd4tpvubas?s=342-618&a=10#abilities)

Parser data:

Battle time in seconds: 277

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 78578 Hits: 150 Crits: 18 Dmg threat: 117474.11 Skill threat: 55255.2
Shield Slam:
Amount: 28140 Hits: 31 Crits: Dmg threat: 42069.3 Skill threat: 14227.915
Devastate:
Amount: 22408 Hits: 61 Crits: 5 Dmg threat: 33499.96 Skill threat: 9965.67
Revenge:
Amount: 14693 Hits: 30 Crits: 6 Dmg threat: 21966.035 Skill threat: 10817.82
Swing:
Amount: 12608 Hits: 34 Crits: 4 Dmg threat: 18848.96 Skill threat: 0
Shield Bash:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0
Cleave:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0
Vengeance:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0
Thunderfury:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0
Deep Wound:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0
Thunder Clap:
Amount: Hits: Crits: Dmg threat: 0 Skill threat: 0

Earth Shield:
Amount: 11866 Overheal: 0% Threat: 8869.835
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 11500 Overheal: 12% Threat: 7564.7
Lifebloom:
Amount: 10737 Overheal: 66% Threat: 2728.80855

Total amount of dmg threat: 233858.365
Total amount of skill threat: 90266.605
Total amount of healing threat: 19163.34355

TPS: 1239.3079911552

this seems very low (for my standard of gear), atleast i think. For this fight i wore 4 parts T6, brutaliser with mongoose, 94 hit and 26 expertise rating. Further buffs were 1 enh shaman in my group and the usual raid buffs/flasks. Also cause of the nature of my gear (still maintaining fairly high avoidance) i ran out of rage quite a few times durnig the fight, so i couldn't proceed with the normal SS/rv/devestate/devestate cycle

Dragaan
05-17-2008, 11:41 AM
Xav, u said you used the blade off mother for that kill. I'm assuming you use the Crusty longblade now?

Xav
05-18-2008, 12:21 AM
Yeah, our 2nd dragonscale sword dropped from Kalecgos, so I use it as my threat weapon now. (I passed the first to our OT since he didn't have mallet, even).

zork
05-19-2008, 04:04 AM
No windfury.
No heorism.
No healing threat.
No dps items.

If you are capable of doing 1200tps without this you can call yourself: GODLIKE.

Everything else is e-peen. Tanks are threat/rage capped without outside buffs.

Xav
05-19-2008, 11:55 AM
No windfury.
No heorism.
No healing threat.
No dps items.

If you are capable of doing 1200tps without this you can call yourself: GODLIKE.

Everything else is e-peen. Tanks are threat/rage capped without outside buffs.

I'll gladly prove you wrong this week's Gorefiend clear then :)
Although, saying "no healing threat" is hilariously dumb- what, do you want the raid to gimp themselves in healing too just so you can get a "pure" parse or something? "hey, change your healing style - it's too productive!". Don't be stupid.

byechee
05-19-2008, 02:50 PM
just don't factor in healing threat, either by subtracting it out or doing all of it manually. regardless, you can definitely survive with only direct heals.

saying "no healing threat" is no dumber than not wearing tank gear to tank, just to pull 2k tps, wouldn't you agree?

Xav
05-19-2008, 11:05 PM
just don't factor in healing threat, either by subtracting it out or doing all of it manually. regardless, you can definitely survive with only direct heals.

saying "no healing threat" is no dumber than not wearing tank gear to tank, just to pull 2k tps, wouldn't you agree?

You're a moron. I've pulled 2k tps wearing full tank gear, but pieces that are obviously for threat. A threat suit. No PvP or dps pieces.

You should really look into things before you try to shit talk people. You're in over your head.

zork
05-20-2008, 03:24 AM
Don't get me wrong.

Healing threat is a huge plus but it is nothing the tank has control of. It blurs the view on the how the tank actually performed. Same goes for Windfury.

In most situations tanks will be rage-starved making it impossible to spam heroics all the time. There are various options to get around this: Group stacking, gimping the avoidance stats, etc. A full heroic strike spam is worth ~300tps, which can be the difference from 900 to 1200tps. When 50% of your auto-swings are white its ~150tps.

Whatever, what makes a good tank is one that is capable of holding the rotation while keeping debuffs/buffs alive and doing heroic strike whenever possible.
If this is not enough to stay infront off all the dps, group stacking, healing threat and avoidance gimping is the only way to get around it since the tank itself is not capable of doing any better.

byechee
05-20-2008, 09:10 AM
I could have done a very similar log threat-wise by not using DPS gear, but instead wearing very "bad" tank gear with almost no avoidance. However, PvP gear was on hand because, well, I PvP.


you count what I said as "talking shit?" It was a mere counter-argument.

Xav
05-20-2008, 11:57 AM
That quote was when questioned about my first 2000 tps log I posted. If you look on the threat calculator site, there's 2 other logs (one was posted twice, from different logs, guildie must have uploaded or something). The two logs that are ~1950 and ~1980 tps or whatever were *not* using any dps/pvp gear. I specifically didn't wear that stuff to see if 2k tps is still obtainable while using typical gear.

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/theory-articles/37280-teron-tps.html#post77433

I said "talking shit" because you've had this tone in a couple of your threads where you downplay accomplishments nonchalantly.

byechee
05-20-2008, 12:24 PM
sorry, i'm not sure what other accomplishments i've downplayed, but in no way have i meant disrespect to you or anyone else. rather, when I read how quickly and easily you dismissed zork's challenge of "no healing threat" without really considering it, and wrote it off as "dumb" and told him to "not be stupid," you left yourself open to be criticized for more or less the same thing - "gimping the raid" with the gear you wore for a boss kill. I didn't intend for what I wrote to contend that you couldn't pull 2k tps without non-tank gear, so please don't get defensive about that.

Kazeyonoma
05-20-2008, 02:42 PM
relax, xav am good tank, byechee am good tank. Healing threat is innate.

How bout, you just take your current 2k wws, and just calculate the threat from it by not including the healing threat.

Or better yet. lets see. bagelbite's allows you to leave healing threat out!

Xavastrasz of Alleria produced 1993 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report.php?id=1050) on xav's last teron run, 1993 tps.

Now declicking the healing threat boxes, and reselecting 142 battle time, you can see that he had 1776 tps without healing threat. the healing threat gave him 217 more tps.

He gained only 18 windfury attacks during that fight.

I don't think 18 windfury attacks would make up for 576 more tps. so we can honestly say, that Xav can pull over 1200 non-healing/non-windfury threat.

byechee
05-20-2008, 02:48 PM
again, what i posted wasn't an attack on what xav (or anyone else) could or couldn't do. the only intended effect of my post was to call into question xav's dismissal of another person's ideas. i guess maybe i wasn't clear enough.

Kazeyonoma
05-20-2008, 04:05 PM
understood, i think this is a classic scenario of tone not being able to be distinguished via text. Xav has had to defend himself due to flamers of his recent accomplishments so you can see why he may have read your post the wrong way. No one was necessarily in the wrong here, just a misunderstanding.

zork
05-20-2008, 11:38 PM
Xavastrasz of Alleria produced 1993 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report.php?id=1050) on xav's last teron run, 1993 tps.

Nice calculator Kazeyonoma.
Do you mind adding the numbers of specials used and perhaps the incoming Damage?

That way we could determine the rage from getting hit and how the rotation actually worked out.

Example: In a fight of 300 Seconds (dps time), 50 shield slam, 50 revenge and 100 devastate would be "perfect". We are no computers, nobody can do this, but it can give an estimate.

The incoming rage from damage get could indicate if the tank was rage starved or if he had room for improvement.

Personally I am not a godlike tank at all, I do a lot of mistakes but I try to improve and combat statistics are a great help when analysing a fight.

byechee
05-21-2008, 11:33 AM
u can see the specials used by looking at the WWS report that it's calculating the TPS from.

Kazeyonoma
05-21-2008, 01:40 PM
Most of the stuff your asking for can be found via the WWS, or the report that I linked itself.

I didn't make the calculator, that is bagelbite's.

Buick
05-23-2008, 05:53 AM
Our 3rd kill. Had a lot of fun, hopefully TPS'll go higher with the tips in this thread =)

Buick - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/wzpkuzflayiby?a=1&s=10755-10956)

Battle time in seconds:202

Heroic Strike:
Amount: 59850 Hits: 69 Crits: 22 Dmg threat: 89475.75 Skill threat: 29929.9
Shield Slam:
Amount: 27175 Hits: 24 Crits: 3 Dmg threat: 40626.625 Skill threat: 12392.055
Devastate:
Amount: 25955 Hits: 50 Crits: 8 Dmg threat: 38802.725 Skill threat: 8757.71
Revenge:
Amount: 12282 Hits: 22 Crits: 5 Dmg threat: 18361.59 Skill threat: 8113.365
Swing:
Amount: 24758 Hits: 51 Crits: 10 Dmg threat: 37013.21 Skill threat: 0

Earth Shield:
Amount: 20925 Overheal: 5% Threat: 14859.365625
Prayer of Mending:
Amount: 32608 Overheal: 4% Threat: 23399.5008
Lifebloom:
Amount: 14757 Overheal: 67% Threat: 3640.182975

Total amount of dmg threat: 224279.9
Total amount of skill threat: 59193.03
Total amount of healing threat: 41899.0494

TPS: 1610.7523732673

CSCase
05-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Ummmmmmm yeahhhhh, did you guys get the memo about the new cover sheet for TPS reports?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_NzFY_1BJGXE/RgPyuZ00EhI/AAAAAAAAASY/sWlM7bm-PvM/s320/Office_Space_lumberg.gif

Xav
06-02-2008, 08:54 PM
No windfury.
No heorism.
No healing threat.
No dps items.

If you are capable of doing 1200tps without this you can call yourself: GODLIKE.

Everything else is e-peen. Tanks are threat/rage capped without outside buffs.

Alright, we finally went back into BT, since we're done in Sunwell.

Today I did Gorefiend in a group by myself. (Group 6, noone else in the group with me). Wearing full tank gear, _ZERO_ dps pieces, zero armor pen (except executioner). Was hit capped (or maybe .09% under or something), and expertise capped, though.

Xavastrasz - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/s5q6k2ykjqdh3?s=5035-5206&a=14)

Coolyo[dot]org (http://www.coolyo.org/?id=13639)

Note the very very low crit rate ( totally lost the rng, at like 13% character sheet in a raid or something ). Still pulled 1528 TPS.

1450 tps is nothing you say? Well yes, compared to my 2k+ logs. But this was done in response to the person I quoted.

Edit: Forgot that was with healing threat. Without healing threat It was 1350 tps still.

nfw
06-03-2008, 03:55 PM
Impressive, now do it while keeping up demo and thunderclap.:) How much TPS do you think you could do if the fight lasted 4 and a half minutes?

Just trying to compare with myself.

Xav
06-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Impressive, now do it while keeping up demo and thunderclap.:) How much TPS do you think you could do if the fight lasted 4 and a half minutes?

Just trying to compare with myself.

It's pretty irrelevent. Under no scenario is a tank getting absolutely zero group buffs, where threat is also a factor.

What does fight duration have to do with the threat, based on the previous log I posted? I didn't get any heroisms, or any timed/short duration buffs like that, since I was in a group by myself. Thus, the sustained threat would have been the same. If anything, however, it would be higher, since there is a larger chance I would have averaged out to my character sheet crit chance, which is a fair amount higher than I achieved in that fight.

Keeping up Demo/TC would have been a minor threat loss, but this goes hand-in-hand with the point that a tank wouldn't ever be in a situation like that while paired with a threat sensitive encounter.

Porkins
06-09-2008, 01:21 PM
Xav, I noticed you took 4x crushing in that last WWS. I'm assuming you were prioritizing threat abilities over SB or was it just bad luck with rage starvation?

Kazeyonoma
06-10-2008, 08:49 AM
omaga, this thread isn't about that though, it's about what is the maximum tps a tank can put out and since gorefiend is a standard tank and spank, it's a good way to measure. Xav has proven he can break the 2k mark in tanking gear, and likewise, in a party ALL by himself he's broken 1300. That's damned good. Sure pally tanks are just as viable, and so are ferals, but this is about what kinda tps we can put out. Feel free to include any other class in this as well.

And gearing for threat means not gearing for avoidance, this'll help reduce the string of dodge/parry/misses.

omaga
06-10-2008, 09:04 AM
i dont have that mod that tells u wut your threat is avarageing at but i think i could do at least 11-1200 dont no about any more then that because i dont have that mod, i kinda want to get it just to c how high i can get it up to but seems like a fun thing to do "clocking threat" ill give it a shot on this weeks bt run.

Kazeyonoma
06-10-2008, 09:06 AM
oh, it's not a mod, it's quite simple really.

Next time you go to do teron. type /combatlog
it'll save your combat messages to a file in your /WoW folder.

When you're done with the fight type /combatlog again

then go to wwsreports and upload the file there, it'll parse out your skills for you. Once you have it uploaded and it gives you a page, go to your specific character, and for your specific fight (teron gorefiend should be the only one listed) then copy paste that link into either coolyo's tps parser or bagelbite's.

omaga
06-10-2008, 09:09 AM
thx you wasnt sure wut it was just assumed.

Taowlie
06-19-2008, 01:34 AM
1st kill MTing him, using 4/5 T6, hit capped and 26? expertise. I used bagelbites TPS converter since coolyo isnt working for me

http://wowwebstats.com/liyoqsmcfhnr5?s=7554-7768&a=5

Taowlie produced 1295 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-12941)

Battle Time 215 TPS :1271
Dps Time 211 TPS: 1295

Still roughly 10% parry rate, with a little more expertise I could definitely go higher.

Bodhi
06-27-2008, 09:23 AM
Bodhii produced 1545 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-13545)

Battle Time 189 1487
Dps Time 182 1545
Was a few weeks ago, think i was around 7% hit and 40 ish expertise. I just threw a feral and enh in my group and tried to see what I could do. Earth Shield would have been nice too.

This was a good thread, picked up a few tips along the way.

Grakzul Slaughtbringer
07-09-2008, 03:25 PM
Seconds Total Threat TPS
Battle Time 277 287076 1036
Dps Time 230 1248

I had no feral or enhancement shaman, I hope they will be present next raid, I think I can have a good boost with their buffs.
I'm quite satisfied, this was our 2nd kill, I was hit capped and about 40 expertise, and I do all my cycles with my mouse. No keybindings, I tried but it worked better with my mouse for me.
Link: Grakzul - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/hblapoa25d455?s=11264-11501&a=25)
Agree with Bodhi, this thread is awesome, thanks to all the contributors. I'll try to do better and post my results next week :)

jere
07-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Guess I will toss my hat into the ring. I tanked our progression kill of Gorefiend tonight.

WWS: Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/pcxltjmpx4263?s=72902-91430)
Threat Parse: Anonymous Player produced 1223 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-21283)

1223 TPS (actually 1247 with 2% threat) isn't too shabby for a first kill I guess. I still need to work on it some.

No crazy party setups. No shaman or ret paladin, just myself and another paladin who supplied Devo so I could have both devo and Retribution aura (no Sanctity Aura for me :( ).

15 Expertise (3.75% parry, 3.75% dodge)
4.33% melee hit
6.17% spell hit

Kazeyonoma
07-11-2008, 09:01 AM
that's pretty awesome for a progression kill jere! gratz!

jere
07-11-2008, 09:43 AM
Thanks I was pretty stoked. That was our second day of attempts on him. We tried him on Wednesday, but the best we got him to was 16%. I only got 4 tries to tank him that day (We had like 9 total tries that night before calling it). Like a noob, I didn't even realize he was undead until my 3rd attempt. We got him to 16% on my 4th and I managed to pull just over 1100. We came back with a vengeance yesterday and got him on our third attempt. It was a fun feeling. Maybe one day I can get to yall's level, but I still need lots of gear to even compete lol.

Kazeyonoma
07-11-2008, 10:02 AM
don't look at me, i haven't tanked anything beyond SSC =P

Xav
07-16-2008, 08:23 PM
I was peacefully minding my business in a lighthearted Black Temple when someone sent me an AIM asking who the person was that beat my #1 threat parse on Gorefiend.

I investigated and saw he used recklessness and got a little lucky, so, I decided to do the same.

This is the end result!

Coolyo[dot]org (http://www.coolyo.org/index.php?id=20849)

And I'll stop trying, again, until a new challenger arrives!

(Sorry, bored, and it made BT mildly more interesting for a few minutes :P)

Kamani
07-16-2008, 09:20 PM
Jesus....I still haven't gone much past 1300. I should try to do so one of these days.

Grakzul Slaughtbringer
07-17-2008, 01:28 AM
Xav you are already known in my guild as "The King Of the Aggro", hail to the King!

Kamani
07-23-2008, 11:01 AM
Coolyo[dot]org (http://www.coolyo.org/index.php?area=threat_boss&id=40)

You were passed again. Back to work!

byechee
07-23-2008, 11:16 AM
wow during a 3 minute 40 second fight too. had 2 bloodlusts, but was obviously wearing a lot of avoidance too. intriguing.

Dots
07-23-2008, 11:55 AM
That is a bugged WWS, counting every action twice.

byechee
07-24-2008, 03:03 PM
ah damn not sure how i missed that, good catch. 52 shield slams in 221 seconds i guess doesn't really add up!

Xav
07-24-2008, 05:29 PM
That is a bugged WWS, counting every action twice.

Indeed, I checked it before Gorefiend yesterday. It's a pretty horribly bugged parse, I think it may be double or even triple merged, but after checking briefly I knew it was very bugged and didn't glance back.

I tried to contact coolyo, sent him a PM on EJ, but he hasn't logged in there in like a month, so oh well.

Rak
07-31-2008, 12:43 AM
Went back to BT after not being there for a while.
Raax - WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/zzo4wcgjks1oc?s=6500-6733&a=13)
Raax produced 1550 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-31231)
Hopefully I get a chance to throw on DPS gear and try for some good numbers soon.

Dragaan
08-17-2008, 04:45 AM
Finally got to tank gorefiend with WF:

Dragaan produced 1686 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-39907)

Anyone know what's up with the coolyo site? Will it be working soon with the new wws reports?

Ylun
08-21-2008, 07:46 AM
Raid force first kill! I'm a happy tank. :)

Ylun produced 1202 tps (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-41071)

Invisniper
08-21-2008, 12:25 PM
1698 TPS. (http://rehfeld.us/wow/wws-tps/report-39129)

Things to improve:
WF before 46%
Auto-Blocker over Commendation
Haste potions
Major Agility/Armor pots over Flask of Fort
Battle Shout