View Full Version : October 25th Devastate Update

10-25-2007, 09:35 PM
The following is the summary from Satrina's analysis thread (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/33437-devastate-testing-25-october.html).

1) The innate threat for Devastate has been increased per Sunder that is on the mob: 119/134/148/162/176 (These numbers should be pretty close - the mage was using unarmed hits for 1-4 at the end to draw aggro. Still could bear some independent testing for verification).

2) While Devastate is applying Sunders (i.e. the first 5 Devastates that land), you gain the 301 threat for the Sunder in addition to the Devastate innate threat. Note that the Sunder is a separate effect; its threat is not part of the Devastate innate threat.

3) Once 5 Sunders are stacked, Devastate will refresh the Sunder stack but does not apply a new Sunder, and as such does not gain the threat for a Sunder. Devastate threat at 5 Sunders is 176 + (1/2 damage + 175) [the damage portion is subject to mitigation]

4) You get the Sunder threat as normal in Battle and Berserk stance if you apply one of the first five Sunders. Once 5 Sunders are on, you will only get 176 + (1/2 damage + 175) [the damage portion is subject to mitigation], multiplied by stance modifier/Salvation/etc.

5) Expose Armour still blocks the Sunder component of Devastate. If there are no Sunders on the mob, and Sunder will be blocked from landing on the mob, the innate threat of Devastate is 109.

6) We also see that there is no difference in innate threat when we apply 4 Sunders and then Devastate and applying 5 Sunders and then Devastate. That tells us that the Sunder for the Devastate being performed counts towards the innate threat. So, we get:
Revised 28 October
- 109 innate for Devastate with no Sunders, and no Sunder landing (i.e. Expose Armour is on the target)
- 119 innate for Devastate adding the first Sunder
- 134 innate for Devastate adding the second Sunder
- 148 innate for Devastate adding the third Sunder
- 162 innate for Devastate adding the fourth Sunder
- 176 innate for Devastate adding the fifth sunder, and Devastate with five Sunders already in place

10-25-2007, 09:48 PM
Just to be sure, when you say 'Devastate threat at 5 Sunders is (176 + 1/2 damage)', the 1/2 damage does include the 35x5 bonus from 5 sunders?

10-26-2007, 07:35 AM
#3 is a little disappointing, I was hoping we'd get the full threat of Deavastate + Sunder for all applications. I had worried it might be a bit overpowered and it probably would've been, so I certainly understand this approach.

We'll have better initial TPS to build aggro quickly. With five Sunders stacked we will lose the 301 innate threat of Sunder but we gain 57 innate threat on Devastate plus the 175 bonus damage, so this offsets a good portion of that threat.

Overall, I can't complain - with this set of mechanics Devastate is always clearly better than Sunder Armor in all aspects and that was the initial purpose of this change. With this change we're getting an overall threat boost, a rather significant boost early in a fight when applying the Sunder debuff stack and with Imp. SA we're getting a boost to TPR efficiency. I'm quite pleased with the change and I'm eager to try it out.