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Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:03 PM
Berg's Tank Gear Rankings (Updated 3/19/2008 - wow version 2.4)

The definite source for this guide will now be maintained on Tankspot Berg's Tank Gear Rankings (3/19/2008 - wow 2.4) - Tankspot (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html)

I will continue to crosspost to the official wow forums, but Tankspot allows item link popups, advanced formating and I've never read someone type "L2PLAY". The itemstat popups really make the guide much more useful.




Yes its another warrior gear guide. Warriors are the most gear dependant class in the game, and we seem to have the most guides. This one is a quantitative analysis of physical mitigation/avoidance gear (tanking gear) based off the popular mod Tankpoints 2.6.8 by Whitetooth TankPoints | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/992/) Tankpoints turns the various tanking stats such as stamina, armor and defense rating into a number that represents how long you can last without heals given a boss mob beating on you physically. This number represents your hitpoints given no physical damage reduction, for example: 10k hitpoints and 50% reduction equals 20k tankpoints.


Why do we need another tank gear guide?

I like having a gear guide and found Evergreen's pre-MC gear guide a must have for the lvl 60 days. But I prefer an objective quantitative analysis such as Cronedog's guides, but I just wish it was kept up to date more often :-) (Respect to both Warriors) This guide will be very similar to Cronedog's, with just some slight variations.


Table of Contents:
Intro http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38102
GEMS http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38103
Weapons http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.htmll#post38104
Weapons pt 2 http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38105
Shields http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38106
Ranged http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38107
Bracers http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38109
Belt http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38110
Gauntlets http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38111
Shoulders http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38112
Boots http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38113
Chest http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38114
Helm http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38115
Legs http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38116
Back http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38117
Neck http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38118
Rings http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38120
Trinkets http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-03-19-2008-wow-2-4-a.html#post38121


Update log:

05/08/2007 - initial version created. This is a first draft, so if you see incorrect links or badly done values, let me know
05/10/2007 - added in gem set bonuses where an item has all blue, added Goblin Rocket Launcher to trinkets.
05/22/2007 - Updated all gear for patch 2.1 - massive updates, and I will make extra 2.1 commentary in the sections to highlight changes
05/31/2007 - New items: The Fel Barrier, Gauntlets of Dissension, Spaulders of Dementia, Yor's Revenge, A'dal's Signet of Defense, Darkmoon Card: Vengeance, Darkmoon Card: Madness, Violet Badge
06/19/2007 - The Boomstick, Merciless Gladiator set, new Honor veteran items
07/05/2007 - Added SSC and the Eye
07/13/2007 - Added forgotten item: Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen
08/23/2007 - Added item links (Tankspot version)
08/28/2007 - Added Black Temple and Hyjal (All items as of 2.1 now complete!), switched to Armory links where available
10/02/2007 - Patch 2.2 - Pepe's Shroud of Pacification, new Jewelcrafter only gems, updated the DPS of the 2 SSC weapons
10/17/2007 - Patch 2.3 - Zul'Aman and new badge reward preview
11/16/2007 - Finalized 2.3 items added S3 Arena gear, Spinesever, and Glove Reinforcements
01/09/2008 - Patch 2.3.2 Spinesever nerf, forgotten items: Gladiator ranged, Heartrazor. Fixed Praetorian legs.
02/10/2008 - Patch 2.4 Preview (ongoing updates until live patch last update 3/19)
09/29/2008 - In progress of fixing entire thread ~Kazeyonoma



Stats:

Most gear guides give a breakdown of stats. I figure that information is already given elsewhere, I'll just state some info that is less commonly available:

1 Stamina > 10 hitpoints. Stamina is affected by Blessing of Kings and the warrior talent Vitality.

1 Strength > 2 Attack Power. Strength is affected by Blessing of Kings and the warrior talent Vitality. We are also the only class that benefits the most from Strength, so items that stack it heavily are made for warriors and you don't have to fight over the roll. 20 Strength also gives you 1 Block Value.

+Block Value (not rating) increases the amount of damage reduced during a shield block and the +Block value is added onto Shield Slam damage so it is also an aggro stat. Shield Slam is one of the few moves that scale with gear, so stacking +Block is important. Assuming you Shield Slam every 6 seconds (also no mob armor and shield mastery), 4.6 Block = 1 DPS. Personally, I keep all gear with +Block just so I have a set of gear that can put out some ridiculous shield slam crits.

Resilience will count as 0 tankpoints in all items that have it in this guide since the baseline is always over the 490 defense mark, but it does have a useful benefit. If you are trading off some tanking gear for aggro generating gear, you usually try to remain crit-immune. If some of your gear has resilience, the defense cap is actually lowered. For example, if you have the Gladiator's Shield Wall, then your defense cap is actually 472.

Items with gem slots have a lot of flexibility. 3 gem slots could add 36 Stamina to an item, or +1.5% to hit. When you get a mitigation upgrade and replace a socketed item, often the right gems can turn your replaced gear into an excellent aggro piece.

Expertise is the 2.3 replacement of weapon skills and is now the top tank aggro stat along with giving burst damage avoidance. This stat reduces the mobs chance to dodge and parry. This is a HUGE stat for tanks, and in patch 2.3 we can now gear to maximize it. First of all mob parries are tank killers. Back to back parries along with a special attack are those rare events where your health goes from full to empty in 2 seconds. Expertise is a avoidance stat in that it reduces those parries. If you are a big fan of Effective Health gearing and evening out damage received to make healing easier, then reducing mob parries is one of the best ways to get rid of those damage spikes. But not only does expertise prevent parries, it is also an overpowered aggro stat. 5 Expertise skill gives you the equivalent to 2.5% +hit (-1.25% mob dodge and -1.25% mob parry) and it will stack along with all your +hit gear.

+hit is the #2 aggro generating stat for tanks and is capped at 9.0% for a pve skull boss. Generally any time I choose aggro gear over mitigation gear it will be a piece with +hit on it. On the gear below I will note any piece that has +hit because it is that important.

Strength/Attack Power will increase your white damage, Revenge and Devastate damage only (and shield slam damage in a tiny amount). All other abilities do not scale with attack power.

Agility is a magical stat that increases both your damage reduction and your crit rating. 30 Agility = +60 Armor +1% Dodge +.91% Crit and crit will affect both your white damage and your special ability damage (because it can crit). Stacking agility for aggro usually doesn't have as much defensive opportunity cost as the other stats. I will rank +crit last since stacking Agility is usually a better way to get crit and the items that carry it often are not made for tanks.

Haste rating will increase your swing timer but not the global cooldown, so a 2% haste buff will make a 1.8 speed weapon hit every 1.78 seconds. This only affects white damage and Heroic Strikes, not Shield Slams and all other tanking abilities. Not worth stacking for aggro and few tank items have it.

Armor Penetration reduces the mitigation of the mob and stacks with Sunder. This will affect both white damage and special moves so it is a better tanking aggro stat than haste but is more beneficial to use it on mobs with low armor. For Example, Void Reaver has a 50% mitigation and 10700 armor, and Shade of Aran has 26.5% mitigation and 3800 armor. Sunder will take away 2600 armor leaving their mitigation at 43.1% and 9.4% respectively (ALWAYS keep that stack sunders up on bosses). 100 Armor penetration will give .3% DPS increase on Void Reaver and .8% DPS increase on Shade of Aran. Armor penetration gives more benefit the lower you can bring the mobs armor, so it is something you need to stack alot of to gain efficiency. So adding armor penetration is really only of penefit if you've already met the 8.6% hit cap and you are fighting a soft boss.




Aggro generating stats:

1.) Expertise
2.) Hit
3.) Block Value
4.) Agility
5.) Strength
6.) Crit



Gearing Strategy

To understand how to gear yourself you first need to understand Effective Health Theory and how to gear for progression raiding:

Effective Health Theory - TheorySpot (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/1060-effective-health-theory.html)

Then understand the different roles/situations you will be tanking in. Understand when you need to gear for aggro and what to do to tank magic damage. Read Ciderhelm's Fortification guide for that:

TheorySpot - Fortifications Guide (http://tankspot.com/index.php?pageid=Fortifications-Guide)


Now, hopefully you understand the key concepts of those excellent guides as related to gearing. Tankpoints and this guide focuses on balance.

Tankpoints gives you an effective hitpoint number similar to Effective Health Theory, except that it also counts in avoidance. Without going into pages upon pages of formulas, the value of health, mitigation and avoidance upgrades change in relationship to each other as the values increase. Given the current itemization and what warriors will experience with upgrades: mitigation/armor scales tankpoints linearly, stamina/health scales tankpoints with diminishing returns and avoidance scales tankpoints with increasing returns. A tank in dungeon blues will have 1 stamina > 1 agility > 1 defense rating, but a tank in full Kara gear will have 1 stamina < 1 agility < 1 defense rating. Maybe I'll produce graphs someday, but the point is you can't use a simple point weighting system to determine the best upgrade, and the helpful mod Tankpoints will do this math for you.

But no matter how much avoidance you have you will encounter a streak of bad luck where avoidance fails you for 3-6 hits in a row and you need to survive this. We need to choose gear that gives us the most tanking stats, but also keeps effective health as a top priority. So as a general rule, keep trying to accumulate items with higher tankpoints. Tankpoints value balance and favors items that improve your capabilities the most overall. If two items are close in value, go with the one with more stamina as a tiebreaker. Your Effective Health is most easily increased through the use of stamina gems and stamina enchants. Always favor effective health theory in this area (thou shall not socket dodge/parry gems).

Reducing physical damage is only a small part of proper tank gearing. In a magic-based fight, stamina is the only stat that matters (and sometimes the various magical resistances). If you ever have two relatively equal gear pieces, always go with the one that has the most stamina, and just for a quick reference, I will always list the stamina of every item.

Generating aggro is often more important in fights than physical mitigation. I almost never wear gear that equals my maximum possible tank points. The more damage you mitigate the less rage you have, and the less you can spam your aggro generating moves. The ideal tanking gear for a situation is the weakest damage reduction you can wear so that your healers can reliably keep you up. In some of the slots, I will list some aggro generating gear and give you an idea of how much damage reduction you are sacrificing.






Measurement conditions:

The tankpoints calculated in this ranking use a baseline lvl 70 protection warrior in lvl 70 tank gear fighting a lvl 73 skull boss that hits for 7480 damage before damage reduction swinging at 2.0 speed. This is an important baseline to use due to the 490 defense elimination of critical hits. If there are no critical hits, resilience has no value in calculations, the value of defense does not include crit reduction anymore. The baseline warrior is Berginyon of Aegwynn's baseline gear Kara/T4 level epics gemed for effective health including enchants. I use my gear so that I can easily calculate tankpoints on other items more quickly, and I will keep this gear set for future calculations. Keeping this guide up-to-date with Blizzards additions, buffs and nerfs is what will make it a useful reference. I don't claim to have the greatest gear, but I'm sure the "l2play" geniuses will have fun critiquing it regardless.

My base stats in my baseline gear:

15.5k health
16.5k armor
81.25% total damage reduction
38k effective health


(Note: I have changed the baseline I use to rank gear to a set of full-Kara/T4 level gear. This gear reprepresents an 8k effective health upgrade over the old baseline even though my total damage reduction is about the same. This should more closely represent the stats of raiding warriors since effective health doesn't change all that much over the tiers.)

To do each calculation, I'll compare the item to an empty slot in that position while in defensive stance, but with all the other gear. This means there is a slightly different baseline for each gear slot, so 1000 tankpoints in a bracer slot is not exactly the same as 1000 tankpoints in a shield slot but should be pretty close. But within a single gear slot, all values should be relatively comparable. If your gear varies greatly from the stats listed above, the tankpoints numbers in this guide do not apply to you. It can still be a helpful reference on gear, but you might want to download the mod and see what stats it thinks you need to prioritize.

Since people that use gear guides are typically looking to max out their gear, all gem slots count as the best Effective Health readily available gem (Solid Star of Elune). Red, Yellow and Blue slots are all counted as a +12 Stamina gem. A meta gem counts as a +18 Stamina gem for Powerful Earthstorm Diamond.

I don't count set bonuses or procs. Too hard to measure, but I'll asterisk the item and note when it has bonus features.

I'll list the tank points in a value like TP:6387(4854 base). In this example the item has 4854 tank points unsocketed, 6387 loaded with Stamina gems.

This guide will include all BC 5 man dungeons, BC heroic mode dungeons, PVP gear, crafted items, and raid encounters. In some slots I will list the best lvl 60 items, or best quest rewards if they are exceptional, but don't consider it comprehensive.







Disclaimer:

As I mention above, Tankpoints measures physical reduction/survivability ONLY. Don't treat this as the ultimate guide to tank gearing, just a quantitative analysis of one aspect of tanking. (Half the people that respond to this thread don't read that line :-) )

Ignore tankpoint differences or 300 or less. You can consider these pieces equivalent, and can focus on stacking whatever stats are important to a fight. The gain is negligible and since defense only increases when your defense skill goes up by 1, sometimes 2 defense rating points won't even register since it takes 2.4 rating points to increase the skill.

Proper tank gearing is both situational (it depends on what your are tanking) and contextual (each gear choice is dependant on your spec and what your other gear choices are). There will never be a guide that applies to all situations, but hopefully I provide enough information for this to be a useful resource.



Patch 2.3 Commentary

Devastate now applies Sunder armor so you no longer have to stack them then switch over, and Devastate now benefits from Improved Sunder and you can do it for 9 rage. I used a non-devastate dagger build through most of Kara, but the benefits and rage efficency of devastate now make that build hard to justify.

All tanks got +6 Expertise as a bonus on Defiance. That +6 expertise gives the equivalent of +3% hit as -1.5% mob dodge reduction and -1.5% mob parry reduction.

Expertise is now the top tank aggro stat. 1 Expertise skill gives you -.25% mob dodge and -.25% mob parry. Back-to-Back boss parries along with a special attack are those rare events that instantly kill you and you are left wondering WTF? Expertise is an avoidance stat in that it is the only way to reduce those killer parries in addition to being a completely overpowered tank aggro stat. 2.3 gives us two new Expertise items available as Heroic Badge rewards: Brooch of Deftness (48STA, 22hit, 21Expertise [5.38 skill] ) and Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx (703AC, 45STA, 23Def, 22Expertise [5.64 skill]). Not only are these a must have for any aggro gearset, I would use them on almost any fight for the parry reduction.

If you get enough items from Zul'Aman and heroic badges, you might have problems meeting the Defense cap of 490. Creative uses of gems, socket bonuses and resilience will help you hit the mark. This will be something you have to manage instead of taking it for granted in the tiered sets.

There are quite a few items that could be used to attain passive uncrushability in this patch. As long as you don't stack too much dodge, you should be able to generate enough rage to make it work using the rage you would have spent on shield block on aggro.


Patch 2.4 Commentary

Lots of fun new stuff in this patch. WARNING: this is a preview, the stats could change. I will try to update as we discover more items and learn where they come from.

This is the last major content patch before an expansion, and like the patch before BC, it gives many opportunities to get geared up. Heroic Badges are now flowing from all raid bosses and even flow from dailies making all badge loot easily attainable. They also added some T6 equivalent items in the chest, legs, belt and ring slots. So bascially you can do some dailies where you kill some non-elite mobs for a week and you get a chest that is just as good as the one that drops off Illidan. :-) Some people are offended by this, but I play for the challenge of learning and executing new fights and to see cool new stuff. The game is not about playing dress me up barbie. I know, a little hypocritical coming from a guide to playing dress up, but I publish this to better prepare you to defeat tougher fights.

Tier 6 Onslaught has been expanded to an 8 piece set. No new bonuses have been added, but its now easier to use some of the other non-set high end items and still get your bonuses. The 3 new pieces (bracers, belt,boots) are all really sweet and best in class.

There is a new enchant that will become important to tanking (as long as it stacks with thunderclap) Deathfrost. It applies a 15% slow for 4 seconds on a proc along with 150 damage. It will be important to learn the proc rate of this enchant.

Expertise: 5 new slots now have an Expertise item available so everyone should be able to hit the soft cap of 23 Expertise Skill to remove dodges from the combat table. Likely, many tanks will be able to make a parry hit extremely rare if not hit the hard cap (currently assumed to be different per boss). Stacking Expertise past the soft dodge cap has more value than stacking +hit, and now it is possible to really stack it!

New crafted items: There is a new tanking meta gem that gives 12 Defense and +10% to shield Block Value. A bonus that scales with your gear is huge and this is a must have. The engineering googles are now upgradable, and you will want to upgrade them unless you have the helm of Illidan. Hopefully you didn't disenchant them :-( There are a couple new blacksmithing and JC patterns that won't really come into play unless you are just starting out tanking.

Many of the new items are not only the best in class as far as damage reduction, they also stack an aggro stat as a bonus. For example, Felstrength Legplates are equivalent to T6 in damage reduction, and they stack 40 Expertise Rating! Breastplate of Agony's Aversion is best in class and has 40 Haste.

There are quite a few Protection Pally items in this patch that would appeal to a Warrior, don't be afraid to take it if you don't have a dedicated tanking pally. Often the pieces are pretty close to warrior T6 in stats.

There is a new trinket that has 57 stamina and had a godly tank saving proc of 20% dodge that was recently nerfed to 8%. But even if there was no proc, I'd still wear it just for the 57 Stamina.

2/22: Removing the stam bumped the DPS Onslaught off the list
3/19: Updated the armor values, fixed some errata, changed meta to Eternal

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:04 PM
GEMS

The tankpoints generated here are for relative comparison between stones. I'll list them all here in case there is an attractive color bonus. 90% of your gem slots should be Solid Star of Elune (if you are pre-BT) regardless of socket color, and all socketted items assume they are filled with Solid Star of Elune.

If you have dungeon blues and/or half Kara gear, 12 Stamina will give you more tankpoints than 8 Dodge. The current baseline is full Kara gear so Tankpoints on +8 dodge is greater than on the stamina. DO NOT sacrifice your Effective Health for avoidance! Gemming for stamina is a critical part of progression gearing.

If you are a JC, it would be worth socketing the new 18 Stamina, 12 Defense and 24 AP gems (in an aggro item) since they just give such a nice stat benefit.

Top gems per socket type/color:

Meta


Eternal Earthstorm Diamond (12Def, 10%Block) TP:2423 *best crafted meta*

This is now the one and only tanking meta gem. On my baseline gear the +10% to block value gives 1428 TP, but on my current gearset of T5/BT gear it gives 2088. YES, finally an item that scales with the quality of your gear! +10% Block Value increases both mitigation and aggro, and I assume this will stack with Shield Mastery multicatively for a total 43% bonus.



Powerful Earthstorm Diamond (18 STA) TP:1028
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25896) (crafted)
* bonus: 5% stun resist

Tenacious Earthstorm Diamond (12 DEF) TP:995
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25898) (crafted)
* bonus: health on hit



Red

Subtle Crimson Spinel (red, +10 dodge) TP:860
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32198) (crafted)

Regal Tanzanite (purple, +5 dodge, +6 STA) TP:754
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30563) (Heroic Shadow Labs - Murmur)

Stalwart Fire Opal (orange +5 DEF, +4 dodge) TP:740
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30554) (Heroic Sethekk Halls - Talon King Ikiss)

Flashing Crimson Spinel (red, +10 parry) TP:687
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32199) (crafted)

Subtle Living Ruby (red, +8 dodge) TP:687 *best crafted red*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24032) (crafted)

Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst (purple, +5 AGI, +7 STA) TP:682
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32212) (crafted)

Defender's Tanzanite (purple, +5 parry, +6 STA) TP:668
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30566) (Heroic Mechanar - Pathaleon)

Glistening Fire Opal (orange, +5DEF, +4 AGI) TP:639
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30585)

Shifting Nightseye (purple, +4 AGI, +6 STA) TP:567
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24055) (crafted)

Flashing Living Ruby (red, +8 parry) TP:548
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24036) (crafted)



Yellow

Facet of Eternity (yellow +12 Defense) TP:995
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33144) (Jewelcrafter only)

Thick Lionseye (yellow +10 Defense) TP:794
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32208) (crafted)

Enduring Seaspray Emerald (green, +5 DEF, +7 STA) TP:776
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32223) (crafted)

Stalwart Fire Opal (orange +5 DEF, +4 dodge) TP:740
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30554) (Heroic Sethekk Halls - Talon King Ikiss)

Enduring Chrysoprase (green, +6 STA, +5 DEF) TP:721
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30590) (Heroic Hillsbrad - Epoch Hunter)

Glistening Fire Opal (orange, +5DEF, +4 AGI) TP:639
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30585)

Thick Dawnstone (yellow +8 Defense) TP:594 *best crafted yellow*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24052) (crafted)

Enduring Talasite (green, +4 DEF, +6 STA) TP:523
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24062) (crafted)

Glimmering Fire Opal (orange, +4DEF, +5 parry) TP:541
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30558) (Heroic Black Morass - Aeonus)





Blue
Falling Star (blue, +18STA) TP:1028
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33135) (Jewelcrafter only)

Charmed Amani Jewel (blue, +15 STA) TP:811
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34256) (Zul'Aman quest)

Solid Empyrean Sapphire (blue, +15 STA) TP:811
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24033) (crafted)

Regal Tanzanite (purple, +5 dodge, +6 STA) TP:754
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30563) (Heroic Shadow Labs - Murmur)

Enduring Chrysoprase (green, +6 STA, +5 DEF) TP:721
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30590) (Heroic Hillsbrad - Epoch Hunter)

Defender's Tanzanite (purple, +5 parry, +6 STA) TP:668
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30566) (Heroic Mechanar - Pathaleon)

Solid Star of Elune (blue, +12 STA) TP:649 *best crafted blue*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32200) (crafted)

Shifting Nightseye (purple, +4 AGI, +6 STA) TP:567
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24055) (crafted)

Enduring Talasite (green, +4 DEF, +6 STA) TP:523
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24062) (crafted)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:05 PM
Typically tanks favor fast high DPS weapons. When you are tanking in a raid instance, you will usually generate rage faster than you can spend it using the global 1.5 sec cooldown. If rage builds up to 100 it means opportunities to generate aggro is being lost because the rage cannot be spent fast enough. Heroic Strike can be used outside of the global cooldown and it will occur on your next melee attack, so a 2.0 speed weapon can Heroic Strike every 2 seconds. Heroic Strike lets a tank dump excess rage and gives 220 bonus threat and 176 bonus damage. Therefore, in an infinite rage situation, weapon speed allows the Heroic Strike bonus to occur more often and provides for a significant threat per second bonus.

2.6 speed weapon = 152.3 threat/sec bonus from Heroic Strike spamming
2.4 = 165
2.2 = 180
2.0 = 198
1.8 = 220
1.7 = 232.9
1.6 = 247.5
1.5 = 267
1.4 = 282.9
1.3 = 304.6

So the difference between a 2.6 speed weapon and a 1.4 speed weapon is 130.6 threat/sec, and that is a substantial amount. Have a priest friend watch your rage bar during a boss fight and if he sees it stay full frequently and assuming you are not playing badly, then it means you need a faster weapon. Personally, I won't take a weapon above 1.8 speed.

Aside from speed, choosing a tanking weapons can be a rather complicated process. First of all you will likely carry a mitigation weapon and an aggro weapon. In 90% of the fights, you should be using an aggro weapon. What determines a good aggro weapon actually depends on your spec and playstyle. If you are a Devastate protection warrior, you shouldn't use daggers. Instant attacks were normalized with attack power in the 1.8 patch, and a dagger has a harsher normalization factor. The 2.3 patch introduced a 9 rage Devastate that also stacks a sunder making it too good to pass up so an Impale Dagger build is viable, but less attractive. If you are spec'd with Improved Heroic Strike and can do it for 9 rage, weapon speed becomes the most important stat above all others, because Heroic Strike becomes more rage efficient than Sunder Armor and you will do it continuously during the fight. Devastate will do slightly more damage with a slower weapon, but the benefit to Heroic Strike far outweighs the normalized loss to Devastate.



Mitigation weapons

A mitigation weapon should give you some bonus tankpoints, but it should not nerf your aggro generation. People tend to be over-concerned with mitigation stats on tank weapons. Spineshatter has lots of tank stats but was an AWFUL tanking weapon. A 2.6 speed weapon back in the lvl 60 days had no purpose being in a tank's hands. Your mitigation weapon will be used in fights such as High King Maulgar. Since you get such a head start on him, no one is going to pull aggro, so putting max tank points on improves your survivability.

Entry level raiding: Grom'tor's charge is a weapon that everyone should start out with. Sun Eater is easily attainable after that with enough Heroic Mech runs, and will be the top mitigation weapon until Black Temple. Any of the fast weapons with +hit could easily be an all-purpose weapon, and King's Defender is the best mitigation+aggro weapon and I doubt you will have much use for Sun Eater after you pull it from Kara. Blade of the Unrequited is a dagger but with 3 stamina gems it would give 46STA which is crazy for a weapon slot. If no rogues need it, take it.

Tier 5 raiding: Your only upgrade is Mallet of the Tides. You gain some dps and trade weapon skill for +hit (which is a good trade).

Tier 6 raiding: The top mitigation weapon is a sword out of Hyjal, but I would favor the Brutalizer's weapon skill over the added mitigation stats since I am non-human. Brutalizer is not an upgrade for a human tank over the Mallet do to the loss of the racial.


Patch 2.3 comments: Mallet of the Tides and the BT weapons are still superior to all the new weapons. The new cleaver gives both a tanking bonus and an aggro bonus over King's Defender.



1. The Unbreakable Will 100.3dps 1.6 Sword 33STA TP:4686
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30874) (Anetheron - Hyjal)

2. The Sun Eater 83.4dps 1.6 Sword 22STA TP:3995
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29362) (Heroic Mechanar - Pathaleon the Calculator)

3. Cleaver of the Unforgiving 98.3dps, 1.7 axe 31STA +0.8%hit TP:3690(3031 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33476) (Zul'Aman - Zul'jin)
* 1 gem slot

4. Umbral Shiv 95.6dps, 1.8 dagger 30STA +0.8%hit TP:3644(2346 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33493) (Zul'Aman - timed event)
* 2 gem slots (NOTE this is a Dagger)

5. The Brutalizer 100.3dps 1.6 Axe 33STA TP:3548
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32254) (Supremus - Black Temple)

6. King's Defender 87.5dps 1.6 Sword 28STA +1.1%hit TP:3352
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28749) (Karazhan - Chess Event)

7. Grom'tor's Charge 67.2dps 1.6 Axe 30STA TP:3020
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31071) (Shadowmoon quest)

8. Messenger of Fate 100.4dps 1.4 Dagger 31STA TP:2996
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32269) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)
* (NOTE this is a Dagger)

9. Mallet of the Tides 33STA 96.8dps 1.7 Mace TP:2957
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30058) (SSC - The Lurker Below)

10. Heartrazor 30STA 96.4dps 1.8 Dagger TP:2813
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29962) (Eye- Solarian)
* proc (NOTE this is a Dagger)

11. Blazefury 97.5dps 1.6 Sword 28STA +1.1%hit TP:2655
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28427) (crafted master swordsmith)

12. Blade of the Unrequited 87.5dps 1.6 Dagger 13STA+ *top stamina* TP:2635(688 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28572) (Karazhan - opera Romeo)
* 3 gem slots (NOTE this is a Dagger)

13. Retainer's Blade 81.0dps 1.5 Dagger 21STA TP:2458
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29125) (Scryers Exaulted)
* (NOTE this is a Dagger)

14. Blazeguard 91.2dps 1.6 Sword 25STA +1.1%hit TP:2375
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28426) (crafted master swordsmith)


Inuuro's Blade 71.8dps, 1.4 Axe, (21STA, 11Expertise, 8Hit, 13Def) TP:2320
(Shattered Sun - Revered)


15. Warp-Storm Warblade 71.8dps 1.7 Sword 21STA +1.0%hit TP:2313
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28400) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Nexus-Prince Shaffar)

15. Fireguard 84.4dps 1.6 Sword 23STA +1.0%hit TP:2209
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28425) (crafted master swordsmith)

16. Truncheon of Five Hells 71.7dps 1.8 Mace 19STA +0.9%hit TP:2206
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27476) (Heroic Ramparts - Omar)

17. Warbringer/Honor's Call 81.1dps 1.8 Axe/Sword 13STA +0.5%hit TP:2024
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29156) (Honor's Hold Exaulted)


Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade 108dps, 1.5 Sword, (36STA, 25Expertise, 25Haste) TP:2010
(Sunwell Plateau - Kalecgos)












Aggro weapons

For these weapons you can ignore mitigation stats and just go for aggro stats, the most important being speed+dps. I will list daggers separately for those without Devastate.

Tankpoints is an great objective tool for analyzing tanking stats, but there really isn't one for aggro/dps. Attack power/Strength can be converted to DPS in a straight formula, but hit/crit depends on all your other stats. Any of the above mitigation weapons that have +hit on them are suitable all-purpose weapons.

Entry level: Most options depend on a non-devastate build w/ a Dagger, or having a profession such as Blacksmithing. Go for speed and DPS.

Tier 5 comments: SSC and the Eye have weapons with +expertise on them, the top tanking aggro stat.

Tier 6 comments: I would fight the rogues for Blade of Savagery. A 100dps 1.4 speed sword with 1% hit on it makes it the top aggro weapon, but all those rogues and fury warriors are going to want it for their offhand.


Patch 2.3 comments: Mallet of the Tides and the BT weapons are still superior to all the new weapons. But they do offer a nice aggro bonus over King's Defender.



1.4 speed

Blade of Savagery 100.4dps 1.4 Sword 19STA +1.0%hit TP:1058
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32369) (Mother Shahraz - Black Temple)

Latro's Shifting Sword 71.8dps 1.4 Sword TP:866
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28189) (Black Morass - Aeonus)



1.5 speed


Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade 108dps, 1.5 Sword, (36STA, 25Expertise, 25Haste) TP:2010
(Sunwell Plateau - Kalecgos)


Swiftsteel Bludgeon 100.3dps 1.5 Mace +1.2%hit TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32943) (Black Temple trash)
* 27 haste rating

Akil'zon's Talonblade 95.7dps, 1.5 sword 25STA TP:1375
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33214) (Zul'Aman - Akil'zon)


Quickening Blade of the Prince 92dps, 1.5 sword, (27STA, 38AP, 126ArmorPen) TP:1481
(Heroic Magister's Terrace - Kael'thas)


Blackout Truncheon 69.7dps 1.5 Mace 0STA+ TP: 1298(0 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27901) (Shadow Labs - Grandmaster Vorpil)
* 2 gem slots, haste proc



1.6 speed

The Brutalizer 100.3dps 1.6 Axe 33STA TP:3548
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32254) (Supremus - Black Temple)

The Unbreakable Will 100.3dps 1.6 Sword 33STA TP:4686
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30874) (Anetheron - Hyjal)

Blazefury 97.5dps 1.6 Sword 28STA +1.1%hit TP:2655
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28427) (crafted master swordsmith)

Blazeguard 91.2dps 1.6 Sword 25STA +1.1%hit TP:2375
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28426) (crafted master swordsmith)

King's Defender 87.5dps 1.6 Sword 28STA +1.1%hit TP:3352
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28749) (Karazhan - Chess Event)

Fireguard 84.4dps 1.6 Sword 23STA +1.0%hit TP:2209
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28425) (crafted master swordsmith)



1.7 speed


Cleaver of the Unforgiving 98.3dps, 1.7 axe 31STA +0.8%hit TP:3690(3031 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33476) (Zul'Aman - Zul'jin)
* 1 gem slot

Mallet of the Tides 33STA 96.8dps 1.7 Mace TP:2957
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30058) (SSC - The Lurker Below)

Warp-Storm Warblade 71.8dps 1.7 Sword 21STA +1.0%hit TP:2313
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28400) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Nexus-Prince Shaffar)

Bogreaver 71.8dps 1.7 Axe 15STA TP:793
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27767) (Heroic Underbog - Swamplord Musel'ek)




1.8 speed

Grand Marshal's Bonecracker 71.7dps 1.8 Mace 18STA TP:952
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28950) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)

Grand Marshal's Hacker 71.7dps 1.8 Axe 18STA TP:952
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28946) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)

Grand Marshal's Quickblade 71.7dps 1.8 Sword 18STA TP:952
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28952) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)

Truncheon of Five Hells 71.7dps 1.8 Mace 19STA +0.9%hit TP:2206
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27476) (Heroic Ramparts - Omar)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:06 PM
Daggers (Weapons Continued)

Rogue weapons always have aggro stats on them. When I was a non-Devastate warrior, I had Dirge crafted as soon as I could (the other tank weapons haven't dropped for me yet so it turned out to be a great investment). I can frequently hold 1k threat/sec on Gruul trash with Dirge (Gruul trash hits hard and provides infinite rage, but doesn't do glancing blows). I wont rank these daggers, but I'd like to point out a couple: Dirge its crafted, has high dps and 1.4 speed. And Warp Splinter's Thorn which has an ideal set of tank aggro stats, 71.5dps and 1.3 speed, fastest weapon in the game. I would use one of the 1.6 speed mitigation swords above before I'd use a 1.8 speed dagger, but I listed them here anyway.

Entry level raiding: Have Dirge crafted, or get Warp Splinter's Thorn.

Tier 5 raiding: I don't like anything at this level, let the rogues have them. You will probably have a Devastate/Improved Defensive Stance/Vitality build for SSC and will be using either King's Defender or Mallet of the Tides.

Tier 6 raiding: Messenger of Fate is a great weapon even has a healthy share of mitigation stats, but I would prefer Blade of Savagery.


1.3 speed


Edge of Oppression 87.3dps 1.3 Dagger (25STA 17Haste, 36AP) TP:1375
(Heroic Magister's Terrace - ???)


Warp Splinter's Thorn 71.5dps 1.3 Dagger 13STA +1.0%hit TP:1620 *fastest mainhand weapon*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28345) (Botanica - Warp Splinter)



1.4 speed

Messenger of Fate 100.4dps 1.4 Dagger 31STA TP:2996
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32269) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)

Feltooth Eviscerator 85.4dps 1.4 Dagger TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29346) (Heroic Ramparts - Vazruden's chest)

Dirge 83.2dps 1.4 Dagger TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23555) (crafted)

Timeslicer 71.8dps 1.4 Dagger 13STA TP:688
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28226) (Heroic Old Hillsbrad - Epoch Hunter)

Twinblade of Mastery 71.8dps 1.4 Dagger 12STA TP:635
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27814) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Pandemonius)

Grand Marshal's Shiv 71.8dps 1.4 Dagger 18STA TP:952
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28930) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)



1.5 speed

Tracker's Blade 100.3dps 1.5 Dagger +1.3%hit TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30865) (Rage Winterchill - Hyjal)

Prowler's Strikeblade 95.7dps, 1.5 dagger 30STA TP:1640
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33298) (Zul'Aman - Hex Lord Malacrass)

Retainer's Blade 81.0dps 1.5 Dagger 21STA TP:2458
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29125) (Scryers Exaulted)



1.6 speed

Blade of the Unrequited 87.5dps 1.6 Dagger 13STA+ TP:2635(688 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28572) (Karazhan - opera Romeo)
* 3 gem slots

Guile of Khoraazi 81.2dps 1.6 Dagger TP:1100
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29121) (Consortium Exaulted)



1.8 speed

Boundless Agony 100.3dps 1.8 Dagger TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30901) (Azgalor - Hyjal)

Fang of Vashj 19STA 100.3dps 1.8 speed TP:1058
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30103) (SSC - Lady Vashj)

Merciless Gladiator's Shanker 97.5dps 1.8 Dagger 27STA +0.6%hit TP:1481
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32044) (Arena)

Umbral Shiv 95.6dps, 1.8 dagger 30STA+ +0.8%hit TP:3644(2346 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33493) (Zul'Aman - timed event)
* 2 gem slots

Dagger of Bad Mojo 95.6dps, 1.8 dagger TP:1217
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33389) (Zul'Aman - Hex Lord Malacrass)

Gladiator's Shanker 91.1dps 1.8 Dagger 21STA +0.5%hit TP:1164
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28312) (Arena)

Malchazeen 91.9dps 1.8 Dagger 16STA +1.0%hit TP:846
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28768) (Karazhan - Prince)

Emerald Ripper 87.5dps 1.8 Dagger 18STA TP:2065
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28524) (Karazhan - Moroes)

Terror Flame Dagger 71.7dps 1.8 Dagger 15STA +0.9%hit TP:793
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27463) (Heroic Ramparts - Omar)

Grand Marshal's Shanker 71.7dps 1.8 Dagger 18STA TP:952
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28929) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)




Items worth noting:

Riftmaker 81.4dps 1.8 Dagger TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29182) (Keepers of Time Exaulted)
* proc does not stack with Thunderclap

The Night Blade 81.4dps 1.8 Dagger TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31331) (BOE epic)
* awesome proc was nerfed to useless



Weapon enchants

Crusader was the default tanking enchant in the lvl 60 days, but there really isn't a dominant one at lvl 70. Mongoose is probably the current favorite, it procs often and its proc increases both aggro and avoidance. Battlemaster doesn't proc enough and the healing it does in insignificant in both generating aggro and healing your party. Since tanks favor fast weapons, Major Striking adds 5 dps to a 1.4 speed weapon and that is significant.


Formula: Enchant Weapon - Greater Agility (+20AGI) TP:1221
Thottbot World of Warcraft: Formula: Enchant Weapon - Greater Agility (http://thottbot.com/i33165)

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Agility (+15AGI) TP:913
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19445)

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Mongoose 120AGI when proc'd TP:7818
Enchant Weapon - Mongoose - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27984)

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Potency (+20STR) TP:27
Enchant Weapon - Potency - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27972)

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Battlemaster (healing proc) TP:0
Enchant Weapon - Battlemaster - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28004)

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Major Striking (+7 dmg) TP:0 * new in 2.1*
Enchant Weapon - Major Striking - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27967)


Enchant Weapon - Deathfrost
* proc for 150 Frost damage and 15% slow

If this stacks with improved Thunderclap this will be a must have for raiding, but the main tank is not necessarily the best person to have this enchant. I'm guessing this will become the must have for offtanks and hopefully it is a high enough proc rate to where we can convince the DPS warriors and rogues to put it on a weapon.

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:06 PM
Shields

Entry-level raiding: If you have a dungeon blue shield, spending your arena points on the gladiator shield gives you a 6-8k tank point upgrade and 6-8k is probably more stats than you get from both of your rings. Getting an epic shield is probably one of the biggest upgrades you can do, and if you get the Merciless shield, you won't be trading it out for months.

Tier 5 raiding: Resilience gives 0 points, but it still reduces your defense cap to let you put more aggro or resistance gear on. If you have the Gladiator Shield Wall, your defense cap is 472 instead of 490 to be uncrittable (471 for Merciless), and that is a nice bonus when trying to stack resistance gear for Hydross and still trying to be uncritable.

Tier 6 raiding: The upgrade path is pretty linear, Illidan has the best one to help you farm him for the rest of the guild.


Patch 2.3: The new Shield Wall has an 1875 personal rating required to buy it. I guess I can't get it by loosing 10 matches anymore. The Bulwark is a nice upgrade over Gruul's shield / Merciless shield and has 46 more +Block to make up for the aggro loss in hit.




Sword Breaker's Bulwark (6336Armor, 221Block, 49STA, 20Def, 16BlockRating) TP:39339(38690 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - Felmyst)
* 1 gem slot


1. Bulwark of Azzinoth 60STA TP:37900 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32375) (Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple)

2. Kaz'rogal's Hardened Heart 43STA+ +1.3%hit TP:34815 base
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30889) (Kaz'rogal - Hyjal)
* 1 gem slot

3. Vengeful Gladiator's Shield Wall TP:34071
Vengeful Gladiator's Shield Wall - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33755) Arena

4. Bulwark of the Amani Empire 42STA+ TP:33176(32527 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33326) (Zul'Aman - Jan'alai)
* 1 gem slot

5. Merciless Gladiator's Shield Wall 48STA TP:31702
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32045) (Arena)

6. Aldori Legacy Defender 39STA+ TP:31374(30624 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28825) (Gruul)
* 1 gem slot

7. Shield of Impenetrable Darkness 33STA TP:29562
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28606) (Karazhan - Nightbane)


Dawnforged Defender 4872Armor, 155Block, 31STA, 18Dodge, 13Hit TP:29411
(Shattered Sun - Exaulted)


8. Gladiator's Shield Wall 45STA TP:29046
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28358) (Arena)

9. Azure-Shield of Coldarra 31STA TP:28502
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29266) (33 Heroic badges)

10. Crest of the Sha'tar 19STA+ TP:27509(25955 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29176) (Sha'tar Exaulted)
* 2 gem slots

11. The Fel Barrier 30STA TP:25793
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32082) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Shaffar)

12. Ogri'la Aegis 18STA+ TP:24979(23681 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32652) (Ogri'la Revered)
* 2 gem slots

13. Aegis of the Sunbird 27STA TP:24108
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28316) (Botanica - High Botanist Freywinn)

14. Platinum Shield of the Valorous 33STA TP:23550
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27887) (Shadow Labs - Ambassador Hellmaw)

15. Netherwing Protector's Shield 22STA TP:23344
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31490) (Shadowmoon quest)

16. The Face of Death 21STA TP:22968 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23043) (Naxx - Sapphiron)

17. Grand Marshal's Barricade 36STA TP:22441
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28939) (22500 Honor, 20 Eye Marks)

18. Blood Knight Defender 26STA TP:22040
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27449) (Heroic Ramparts - Watchkeeper Gargolmar)

19. Shield of the Void 24STA TP:21076
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28166) (Mana Tombs - Pandemonius)





Shield Enchants

Major Stamina is the only way to go for the shield you use for progression raiding

Formula: Enchant Shield - Major Stamina 18STA TP:1028
Enchant Shield - Major Stamina - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34009)

Formula: Enchant Shield - Tough Shield 18 +Block TP:196
Enchant Shield - Tough Shield - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27944)

Formula: Enchant Shield - Lesser Block 10 block rating TP:109
Enchant Shield - Lesser Block - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13689)

Formula: Enchant Shield - Lesser Protection 30 armor TP:110
Enchant Shield - Lesser Protection - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13464)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:07 PM
Ranged Weapons

Ranged weapons don't have a ton of tanking stats. A better use for this slot is to put some +hit from the aggro weapon list.

Entry level raiding: Finding a Green lvl 70 weapon of the Monkey on the AH is still the easiest way to get some tanking stats here until you have the mats to get the engineering weapon crafted.

Tier 5 raiding: Stick with the engineering weapon, it will last you a while.

Tier 6 raiding: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian will go to a tank and is a respectable upgrade, but Gyro-balanced Khorium Destroyer still has top stamina, 41 with a Black Temple gem and you shouldn't get rid of it.

Patch 2.3: Spinesever is a new BOE epic. If you see it for under 1k, I'd buy it. It has alot of TP and has some of the best aggro stats of all the ranged weapons, not to mention you don't have to carry ammo. Its an all purpose wear in all encounters, but still keep the engineering rifle around as a stamina piece for EH fights. (Edit NERFED, no longer all that)



1. Rifle of the Stoic Guardian 31STA TP:3491
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32325) (Teron Gorefiend - Black Temple)

2. Legionkiller 30STA TP:2988
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32253) (Supremus - Black Temple)

3. Barrel-Blade Longrifle 0STA+ TP:2240(942 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30724) (Doomwalker)
* 2 gem slots

4. Gyro-balanced Khorium Destroyer 26STA+ TP:2209(1560 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32756) (crafted)
* 1 gem slots

5. The Boomstick 21STA TP:2159
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32780) (Heroic Sethekk Halls - Anzu)

6. Big-Boar Battle Rifle of the Monkey (+11 Agility, +18 Stamina) TP:1676
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25281)
* also Rampant Crossbow & Windspear Longbow have equal stats

7. Crystalline Crossbow 16STA +0.7%hit TP:1627
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32645) (Ogri'la Exaulted)

8. Bristleblitz Striker 28STA TP:1614
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30906) (Archimonde - Hyjal)

9. Big-Boar Battle Rifle of the Champion (+9 Strength, +14 Stamina, +9 Defense Rating) TP:1608
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25281)

10. Big-Boar Battle Rifle of Stamina (+27 Stamina) TP:1560
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25281)

11. Spinesever 12STA +0.5%hit TP:1346
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34622) (BOE Drop)

12. Vengeful Gladiator's War Edge 24STA +0.7%hit TP:1345
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33765) Arena

13. Dragonbreath hand cannon 7STA TP:1258 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19368) (BWL - Ebonrock)

14. Mandokir's Sting 8STA TP:1133 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=20038) (ZG - Bloodlord)

15. Arcanite Steam-Pistol 0STA +1.1%hit TP:1120
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29949) (Eye - Al'ar)

16. Starbolt Longbow 19STA TP:1076
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27817) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Pandemonius)

17. Mark V's Throwing Star/Alley's Recurve 10STA TP:1004
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30227) (Nagrand quest)


Nightstrike (16STA, 10hit, 10Expertise) TP:920
(Normal Magister's Terrace - ???)


18. Melmorta's Twilight Longbow 15STA TP:861
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27987) (Black Morass - Chrono Lord Deja)

19. Nethershrike 15STA TP:861
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28258) (Mechanar - Nethermancer Sepethrea)

20. Consortium blaster 15STA TP:861
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29115) (Netherstorm Revered)

21. Outrider's bow/Silithid Husked launcher TP:827
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19558) (7500 Honor, 30 warsong marks)

22. Recoilless Rocket Ripper X-54 13STA TP:753
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27794) (Steamvault - Mekgineer Steamrigger)

23. Ethereal Warp-Bow 13STA TP:753
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25953) (Mana Tombs - Nexus-Prince Shaffar)







Aggro

Steelhawk has some nice stats and it should be easily attainable after the hunters get their epic weapons. Go for +hit. The new BOE epic drop was nerfed to crap. I almost bought it, luckily I held back.




Crystalline Crossbow 16STA +0.7%hit TP:1627
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32645) (Ogri'la Exaulted)

Spinesever 12STA +0.5%hit TP:1346
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34622) (BOE Drop)

Arcanite Steam-Pistol 0STA +1.1%hit TP:1120
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29949) (Eye - Al'ar)


Nightstrike (16STA, 10hit, 10Expertise) TP:920
(Normal Magister's Terrace - ???)


Adamantine Repeater 0STA +0.6%hit TP:882
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27507) (Heroic Blood Furnace - Keli'dan the Breaker)

Ornate Khorium Rifle 0STA +0.8%hit TP:823
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23748) (crafted)

Veteran's Musket 0STA +0.7%hit TP:704
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29151) (Honor Hold - Exaulted) or horde equivalent

Serpentshrine Shuriken 12STA +0.7%hit TP:699
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30025) (SSC - trash)

Skyfire Hawk-Bow TP:0 +0.9%hit
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27526) (Shattered Halls - Warbringer O'mrogg)

Steelhawk Crossbow 0STA +1.0%hit TP:0
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28504) (Karazhan - Attumen)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:08 PM
Bracers


Entry-level raiding: Stick a +hit gem on the Attumen bracers for the set bonus and you have good all purpose tank/aggro bracers or stam for the best possible for tanking until the Eye. Craft the Green Fortress bracers if you have the cash, they are excellent and will hold you over until Attument drops his bracers.

Tier 5 raiding: The Void Reaver bracers are a huge upgrade over Attunmen's bracers, tons of extra avoidance.

Tier 6 raiding: Eternium Shell are the ultimate bracers. Top effective health and loads of avoidance. If only they had Block value.

Patch 2.3: Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx are an easy to obtain item that give 5.6 Expertise points for massive aggro and mob parry reduction. A must have for even the T6 tanks.


Onslaught Wristguards (841Armor, 49STA, 21Def, 22Parry, 24Dodge) TP:11842(11040 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - Kalecgos)
* 1 blue gem slot (+2 Dodge)


1. Eternium Shell Bracers 52STA TP:9896 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32232) (High Warlord Naj'entus - Black Temple)

2. Wristguards of Determination 37STA TP:8275
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32515) (Eye - Void Reaver)

3. The Seeker's Wristguards 43STA TP:7044
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32279) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)
* pally stats

4. Vambraces of Courage 33STA+ TP:7035(6386 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28502) (Karazhan - Attumen)
* 1 gem slot

5. Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx 45STA 22Expertise TP:6791
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33516) (35 Badges)

6. Bracers of the Green Fortress 39STA TP:6425
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23538) (crafted)

7. Amber Bands of the Aggressor 25STA TP:5855
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29463) (Heroic Steamvault - Warlord Kalithresh)

8. Vambraces of Daring 26STA TP:4861
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27459) (Heroic Ramparts - Vazruden's chest)

9. Veteran's Plate Bracers 30STA+ TP:4678(4029 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32818) (11794 Honor, 20 WSG)
* 1 gem slot

10. Swiftsteel Bracers 32STA TP:4438
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32568) (crafted - BOE Black Temple)
* 27 haste rating

11. Sha'tari Wrought Armguards 18STA+ TP:4325(3676 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28167) (Shadow Labs quest)
* 1 gem slot

12. Junior Technician 3rd Grade Bracers 24STA +0.7%hit TP:4284
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30225) (Netherstorm quest)

13. Furious Shackles 28STA+ TP:4226 base
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30861) (Rage Winterchill - Hyjal)
* 1 gem slot

14. Eternium Rage-Shackles TP:4195
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33513) (35 Badges)

15. Bands of Syth 18STA TP:3790
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27918) (Heroic Sethekk Halls - Darkweaver Syth)

16. Dreadnaught bracers 28STA TP:3773 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22423) (Naxx - 3 bosses)











Bracer Enchants

12 Defense rating vs 12 Stamina. My baseline gear is to a point where avoidance gains alot of tankpoints and stamina has diminishing returns based off statistical simulations, but the simulations do not represent what is easiest to tank & heal through. For this enchant, I personally would choose stamina.

1. Formula: Enchant Bracer - Major Defense (12 Def) TP:995
Enchant Bracer - Major Defense - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27906)

2. Formula: Enchant Bracer - Fortitude (12STA) TP:649
Enchant Bracer - Fortitude - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27914)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Belt

Entry-level raiding: Moroes holds the best belt followed by the one from heroic slave pens. An easy pick up is the Sha'tari Vindicator belt from the Arcatraz quest chain, otherwise find a belt with 2 gem slots and load up on stamina to make an all purpose belt.

Tier 5 raiding: Girdle of the Invulnerable is a massive upgrade for a belt. More mitigation that Crimson Girdle and it has 2% more avoidance. The crafted pally tank belt is very respectable and if your blacksmith gets it, have it crafted it's BOE.

Tier 6 raiding: Again Black temple has an ideal item with the Girdle of Stability. Top effective health, shield block and a ton of avoidance. Perfect tanking belt.

Patch 2.3: Iron-tusk is a heavy avoidance belt. Its an upgrade over the Kara belt, but the SSC pally belt has some more attractive stats.






Onslaught Waistguard (1081Armor, 64STA, 24Def, 28Expertise, 40Dodge, 56Block) TP:15321(14672 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - Brutallus)
* 1 gem slot


1. Girdle of Stability 56STA+ TP:12610(11312 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32333) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)
* 2 gem slots

2. Girdle of the Invulnerable 37STA+ TP:11559(10261 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30096) (SSC - Leotheras the Blind)
* 2 gem slots

3. Girdle of Mighty Resolve 56STA+ TP:11304(10006 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32342) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)
* 2 gem slots, pally stats

4. Iron-tusk Girdle 45STA+ TP:11040(9742 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33279) (60 badges)
* 2 gems slots


Girdle of the Fearless (993Armor, 58STA, 34Defense, 23Hit, 22Expertise) TP:9538(8889 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 1 gem slot


5. Belt of the Guardian 48STA+ TP:9492(8194 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30034) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith SSC)
* 2 gems, pally stats

6. Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable 36STA+ TP:7990(6692 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28566) (Karazhan - Moroes)
* 2 gem slots

7. Lion's Heart Girdle 31 STA TP:7239
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29238) (Heroic Ramparts - Vazruden's chest)


Girdle of Seething Rage (993Armor, 40STR, 55STA, 30Haste) TP:6718(6069 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 1 gem slot


8. Girdle of the Immovable 33STA TP:6632(5334 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27672) (Heroic Slave Pens - Quagmirran)
* 2 gem slots

9. Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard 33STA TP:6566
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31460) (Netherstorm quest)

10. Royal Qiraji Belt 22STA TP:6069 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=21598) (AQ40 - Twin Emps)

11. Warlord's Iron-Girdle of the Monkey (620 Armor +27 Agility, +42 Stamina) TP:5847
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25022)

12. Veteran's Plate Belt 45STA TP:5686
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32805) (17850 Honor, 40 AB)

13. Red Belt of Battle 21STA+ +0.9%hit TP:5511(4213 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30032) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith SSC)
* 2 gems

14. Girdle of the Lost Vindicator 39STA TP:5369
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30380) (Netherstorm quest)

15. Belt of Seething Fury 37STA TP:5356
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30915) (Kaz'rogal - Hyjal)
* 38 haste rating

16. Fearless Girdle 25STA+ TP:5259(3961 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25922) (Zangarmarsh quest)
* 2 gem slots

17. Dreadnaught Waistguard 26STA TP:5114 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22422) (Naxx - 3 bosses)
* set bonuses

18. Chain of Unleashed Rage 37STA+ TP:5027
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33331) (60 badges)
* 2 gem slots

19. Deathforge Girdle 25STA TP:4854(3556 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27985) (Sethekk Halls - Talon King Ikiss)
* 2 gem slots

20. Borak's Belt of Bravery 24STA TP:4842
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30962) (Shadowmoon quest)

21. Girdle of the Mentor 21STA +0.6%hit TP:4288 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23219) (Naxx - Instructor Razuvious)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Gauntlets

Entry-level raiding: If you are just starting to raid, Felsteel is the way to go. Get the Tank gloves off Maiden, then take the T4 DPS gloves for your aggro set. Or get the T4 tank gloves and put 2 +hit gems in the Maiden Gloves to make them your aggro gloves (remember +Block means bigger shield slams).

Tier 5 raiding: Mathematically T5 hands are not that great over T4, but you are gaining effective health and +Block. The Royal Gauntlets are unbeatable with that massive avoidance.

Tier 6 raiding: I would take the Royal Gauntlets over T6, top stamina and great avoidance. Gauntlets of Enforcement are ideal aggro gauntlets without sacrificing any tanking stats. Definately need +2% threat on these.

Patch 2.3: Both gauntlets from the patch have a respectable amount of tank aggro stats. I wish they wouldn't cost 60 badges though, that seems a bit too much.


Borderland Fortress Grips (1103Armor, 64STA, 21Def, 35Dodge, 28Parry) TP:15299(14001 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - Trash drop)
* 2 gem slots


1. Royal Gauntlets of Silvermoon 57STA+ TP:12589(11291) base *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29998) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)
* 2 gem slots

2. Onslaught Handguards 50STA+ TP:12451(11802 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30970) (Azgalor - Hyjal)
* 1 gem slot

3. Gauntlets of Enforcement 70STA TP:11296
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32280) (Teron Gorefiend - Black Temple)
* 21 weapon skill rating

4. Destroyer Handguards T5 tank 44STA TP:10545
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30114) (SSC - Leotheras the Blind)
* set bonuses

5. Warbringer Handguards (T4 tank gloves) 38STA TP:10189
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29017) (Karazhan - Curator)
* set bonuses

6. Topaz-studded Battlegrips 49STA+ TP:9447(8149 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30741) (Doom Lord Kazzak)
* 2 gem slots

7. 33517en 51STA+ +1.3%hit TP:9323(8025 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33517) (60 badges)
* 2 gem slots

8. Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden 39STA+ TP:9026(7728 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28518) (Karazhan - Maiden)
* 2 gem slots

9. Onslaught Gauntlets 49STA+ TP:8831(8182 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30969) (Azgalor - Hyjal)
* 1 gem slot, ignore 91 armor

10. Gauntlets of Dissension 36STA TP:8014
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32072) (Heroic Botanica - Warp Splinter)

11. Felsteel Gloves 27STA+ TP:7886(6588 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23517) (crafted)
* 2 gem slots, set bonus for blacksmith

12. Gauntlets of the Chosen 30STA TP:7643
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29134) (Scryer Revered)


Hard Khorium Battlefists (1103Armor, 45STR, 45STA, 36Haste, 23Hit) TP:7542(6244 base)
* 2 gem slots (crafted BOE)


13. Gauntlets of the Bold 31STA+ TP:7360(6062 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27475) (Steamvault - Warlord Kalithresh)
* 2 gem slots, set bonuses

14. Gauntlets of the Iron Tower 30STA+ TP:7281(5983 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23532) (crafted)
* 2 gem slots

15. Grips of Silent Justice 37STA+ +1.0%Hit TP:6996(5698 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32278) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)
* 2 gems slots, ignore 175 armor

16. Thatia's Self-Correcting Gauntlets (boe) 35STA TP:6942
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28390) (Arcatraz - Dalliah the Doomsayer)
* BOE boss drop, a bug, so you can take the easy path and buy it in the AH

17. Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Gauntlets 52STA TP:6640
Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Gauntlets - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33729) Arena
* set bonuses, -3 rage on hamstring

18. Furious Deathgrips 37STA+ +1.6%hit TP:6638(5340 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33512) (60 badges)
* 2 gem slots

19. Warbringer Gauntlets (T4 DPS gloves) 33STA +1.1%hit TP:6219
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29020) (Karazhan - Curator)
* set bonuses

20. Pillager's Gauntlets 45STA +1.1%hit TP:6093
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32608) (Black Temple trash)
* 38 haste rating

21. Merciless Gladiator's Plate Gauntlets 46STA TP:6014
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30487)
* set bonuses, -3 rage on hamstring

22. Destroyer Gauntlets T5 dps 46STA TP:5961
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30119) (SSC - Leotheras the Blind)
* set bonuses

23. Dauntless Handguards 36STA TP:5690
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25788) (Alliance Shattered Halls quest)

24. Dreadnaught Gauntlets (T3 gloves) 27STA TP:5621 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22421) (Naxx - Maexxna)
* set bonuses

25. Gladiator's Plate Gauntlets 42STA TP:5471
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24549) (Arena)
* set bonuses, -2 rage on hamstring

26. Grand Marshal's Plate Gauntlets 30STA TP:4038
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28700) (14850 Honor, 20 AV Marks)
* set bonuses, -2 rage on hamstring





Glove Enchants

1. Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility (15 AGI) TP:913
Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=25080)

2. Glove Reinforcements (240 armor) TP: 878
Glove Reinforcements - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44770)

3. Heavy Knothide Armor Kit (10 STA) TP:595
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25650)
* baseline

4. Vindicator's Armor Kit (8 def) TP: 594
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25651)

5. Formula: Enchant Gloves - Greater Agility (7 AGI) TP:424
Enchant Gloves - Greater Agility - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20012)




Honorable Mention: +2% threat is a great enchant that offers 0 tank points. Since it is still percent-based, it scales with gear. Even though it gives 0 tank points, 2% threat is a big deal since it is a threat multiplier.

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:10 PM
Shoulders

Enrty-level raiding: Get your guild started on 25 mans and down High King asap. T4 tank shoulders are the best you can get by a large margin.

Tier 5 raiding: After your guild can down Gruul by growth 12, start working Loot Reaver for your first taste of Tier 5. You will use these shoulders for your Hydross set, and the extra defense helps. They also add some nice +Block.

Tier 6 raiding: It sucks that you have to give up +Block on your 2 upgrade options. Both shoulders have tons of avoidance and I would prefer Onslaught for the parry and extra stam.

Patch 2.3: Loot Reaver makes the tanking shoulders from here unnecessary. Tier 5 has better stats across the board.




Pauldrons of Perseverance (1487Armor, 60STA, 27Def, 32BlockRat, 68Block) TP:14171(12873 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 2 gem slots



Spaulders of the Thalassian Defender (1487Armor, 60STA, 27Def, 51Block) TP:13162(11864 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 2 gem slots


1. Pauldrons of Abyssal Fury 72STA TP:13072
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32250) (Supremus - Black Temple)

2. Onslaught Shoulderguards 53STA+ TP:12585(11287 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30980) (Mother Shahraz - Black Temple)
* 2 gem slots

3. Destroyer Shoulderguards T5 Tank 44STA+ TP:11900(10602 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30117) (Eye - Void Reaver)
* 2 gem slots

4. Warbringer Shoulderguards (T4 tank shoulders) 38STA+ TP:10939(9641 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29016) (Gruuls Lair - High King)
* set bonuses, 2 gem slots

5. Pauldrons of Stone Resolve 43STA+ TP:10261(8963 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33481) (Zul'Aman - timed event)
* 2 blue gem slots (+3 BlockRating bonus)

6. Mantle of Abrahmis 43STA+ TP:8761(7463 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28743) (Karazhan - Netherspite)
* 2 gem slots

7. Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Shoulders 57STA+ TP:8754(7456 base)
Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Shoulders - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33732) Arena
* set bonuses, 2 gem slots


Pauldrons of Berserking (1487 Armor, 45STR, 48STA, 27Haste, 30Crit) TP:8750(7452 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 2 gem slots


8. Onslaught Shoulderblades 34STA+ TP:8338
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30979)
* 2 gem slots, ignore 91 armor

9. Spaulders of Dementia 34STA TP:8150
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32073) (Heroic Sethekk Halls - Talon King Ikiss)

10. Merciless Gladiator's Plate Shoulders 51STA+ TP:8093(6795 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30490)
* 2 gem slots

11. Warbringer Shoulderplates (T4 DPS shoulders) 33STA+ +0.6%hit TP:7852(6554 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29023) (Gruuls Lair - High King)
* set bonuses, 2 gem slots

12. Fanblade Pauldrons 22STA+ TP:7617(6319 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27847) (Heroic Crypts - Shirrak the Dead Watcher
* 2 gem slots

13. Gladiator's Plate Shoulders 45STA+ TP:7399(6101 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24546) (Arena)
* set bonuses, 2 slots

14. Destroyer Shoulderblades T5 DPS 38STA+ TP:7374(6076 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30122) (Eye - Void Reaver)
* 2 gem slots


Shoulderplates of Everlasting Pain (1087Armor, 30STR, 33STA, 21Haste) TP:6579(5281 base)
(Heroic Magister's Terrace - ??)
* 2 gem slots


15. Shoulderguards of the Bold 25STA+ TP:6565(5267 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27803) (Shadow Labs - Murmur)
* set bonuses, 2 slots

16. Pauldrons of the Wardancer 21STA+ TP:6319(5021 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30053) (SSC - Hydross)
* 2 gems

17. Warchief's Mantle 27STA+ TP:6245(4947 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29316)
* 2 slots

18. Blood-stained Pauldrons 34STA +1.5%hit TP:6116
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30866) (Rage Winterchill - Hyjal)

19. Grand Marshal's Plate Shoulders 36STA+ TP:6057(4759 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28703) (14850 Honor, 20 AB Marks)
* set bonuses, 2 slots

20. Pauldrons of Brute Force 22STA+ TP:6054(4756 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24463) (Underbog - The Black Stalker)
* 2 slots

21. Swiftsteel Shoulders 29STA +1.2%hit TP:5864
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32570) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith Black Temple)
* 35 haste rating

22. Dreadnaught Pauldrons (T3 shoulders) 29STA +0.6%hit TP:5790 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22419)
* set bonuses

23. Pauldrons of Gruesome Fate 33STA +1.5%hit TP:5674
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33514) (60 Badges)

24. Nexus-Guard's Pauldrons 27STA TP:5650
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30291) (Netherstorm quest)

25. Doomplate Shoulderguards 22STA+ TP:5256(3958 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27771) (Heroic Underbog - The Black Stalker)
* set bonuses, 2 slots

26. Skybreaker's Pauldrons 31STA TP:5243
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30964) (Shadowmoon quest)





Shoulder Enchants

The difference between aldor and scryer is negligible. Scryer might be more useful as it helps to overcome the 490 defense cap for Hydross.

1. Greater Inscription of Warding (15 dodge, 10 def) TP:2114
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28889) (aldor)

2. Greater Inscription of the Knight (15 def, 10 dodge) TP:2080
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28911) (scryer)

3. Inscription of Warding (15 dodge) TP:1296
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28882) (aldor)

4. Inscription of the Knight (13 def) TP:995
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28908) (scryer)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Feet

Enrty-level raiding: Boots 14 and 17 are easy to obtain quest reward blues. Keep the Fleash Beast's as your tank boots and gem the Sha'tari wrought as your aggro boots until you pull something out of Kara or a Heroic. The trash Kara boots are the top mitigation until the eye, but 17 strength and 2 gem slots make Battlescar overall more attractive. Put 2 blue gems in there are you got 49STA boots.

Tier 5 raiding: Shocking that the upgrade over the Kara gear doesn't come until deep into the Eye and it works out mathmatically as a side-grade, although most warriors love to trade avoidance for stamina. Red Havoc boots are awesome with all that shield block and a nice effective health upgrade, damn Blizzard had to make them Blacksmith only.

Tier 6 raiding: +hit on the boots from Akama, nice! The pally boots are also a respectible upgrade.

Patch 2.3: Jungle stompers FTW! I was always bitter I couldn't wear Red Havoc, and so now I feel better that I can have some Block boots. They were even nice enough to give us a blue socket bonus of +5 Block.




Onslaught Boots (1322Armor, 64STA, 25Def, 26Expertise, 30Dodge, 25Parry) TP:14660(14011 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - Felmyst)
* 1 gem slot


1. Myrmidon's Treads 56STA+ +1.1%hit TP:12850(11552 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32268) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)
* 2 gems slots

2. Tide-stomper's Greaves 56STA+ TP:12124(10826 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32245) (High Warlord Naj'entus - Black Temple)
* 2 gem slots, pally stats

3. Boots of Elusion 34STA TP:9948
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30641) (Karazhan trash)
* baseline

4. Jungle Stompers 43STA+ TP:9938(9289 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33191) (Zul'Aman - Bear Avatar, Nalorakk)
* 1 blue gem slot (5Block bonus)

5. Red Havoc Boots 49STA TP:9927
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30031) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith SSC)

6. Boots of the Resilient 51STA+ TP:9733(8435 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32267) (Eye - High Astromancer Solarian)
* 2 gem slots

7. Sabatons of the Righteous Defender 45STA+ TP:9599(8301 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33523) (60 badges)
* pally stats, 2 gem slots

8. Battlescar Boots 28STA+ TP:9201(7903 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28747) (Karazhan - Chess Event)
* 2 gem slots

9. Boots of the Protector 48STA TP:8379
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30033) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith SSC)
* pally stats

10. Eaglecrest Warboots 33STA TP:7892
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29239) (Heroic Blood Furnace - Keli'dan the Breaker)

11. Dreadboots of the Legion 40STA +1.1%hit TP:7525(6227 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32345) (Reliquary of Souls - Black Temple
* 2 gems slots

12. Ironstriders of Urgency 28STA TP:7202(5904 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28608) (Karazhan - Nightbane)
* 2 gem slots

13. Skullshatter Warboots 37STA TP:7001(5703 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33303) (Zul'Aman - Lynx Avatar, Halazzi)
* 2 gem slots

14. Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves 25STA TP:6943
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29325) (Mana Tombs quest)

15. Boots of the Colossus 27STA+ TP:6798(5500 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27813) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Pandemonius)
* 2 gem slots


Sunstrider Warboots (1105Armor, 30STA, 29STR, 140ArmorPen) TP:6616(5318 base)
(Normal Magister's Terrace - Kael'thas)
* 2 gem slots


16. Veteran's Plate Greaves 45STA TP:6340
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32793) (17850 Honor, 40Eye)

17. Sha'tari Wrought Greaves 22STA TP:6271(4973 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28176) (Shadow Labs quest)
* 2 gem slots

18. Warlord's Sabatons of the Monkey (lvl 70 green 758 Armor +27 Agility, +42 Stamina) TP:6185
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25023) (green BOE)

19. Dreadnaught sabatons (T3 boots) 34STA TP:6077 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22420) (Naxx - 3 bosses)
* set bonuses














Boot Enchants

The correct choice for effective health enchanting is +12 stamina.

1. Formula: Enchant Boots - Dexterity (12 AGI) TP: 729
Enchant Boots - Dexterity - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27951)

2. Formula: Enchant Boots - Fortitude (12 STA) TP: 649
Enchant Boots - Fortitude - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27950)
* baseline

3. Vindicator's Armor Kit (8 def) TP: 594
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25651)

4. Rugged Armor Kit (40 armor) TP: 146
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=15564)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Chest

Entry-level raiding: The T4 chest and Nightbane chest are pretty similar in mitigation, but the strength and agility on T4 make it superior. The Armorsmith's DPS chest is pretty godly when you consider all the aggro generating stats it has on it. The new Gladiator chest has great stamina and even has some +hit.

Tier 5 raiding: A 2k tankpoints upgrade over T4 and +1.5% to hit, now that is an upgrade!

Tier 6 raiding: Onslaught gives away the +hit, Boooo! But Azgalor has a chest with +2.2%hit

Patch 2.3: Zul'jin has a nice chest for those guilds not able to down Kael. The Pally badge version is a close second if you are not up to that challenge but you have to give up the +hit.







Breastplate of Agony's Aversion (1983 Armor, 78STA, 36Def, 52Dodge, 40Haste) TP:20217(18270 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots



Chestplate of Stoicism (1765 Armor, 78STA, 51Def, 34Dodge, 39Block) TP:19123(18474 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 1 gem slots


1. Onslaught Chestguard 69STA+ TP:18862(16915 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30976) (Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple)



Heroic Judicator's Chestguard (1983Armor, 78STA, 29Def, 44Dodge) TP:18816(16869 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots


2. Glory of the Defender 75STA +2.2%hit TP:16828
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30896) (Azgalor - Hyjal)

3. Destroyer Chestguard T5 tank 57STA+ +1.5%hit TP:16042(14095 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30113) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)
* 3 gem slots, set bonuses

4. Chestguard of the Warlord 60STA +1.6%hit TP:15955(14008 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33473) (Zul'Aman - Zul'jin)
* 3 gem slots

5. Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian 60STA+ TP:15158(13211 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33522) (75 Badges)
* pally stats,3 gem slots

6. Warbringer Chestguard (T4 tanking chest) 48STA+ TP:13652(11705 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29012) (Magtheridon)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots

7. Panzar'Thar Breastplate 51STA+ TP:12768(10821 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28597) (Karazhan - Nightbane)
* 3 slots

8. Onslaught Breastplate 54STA+ +1.0%hit TP:12737(10790 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30975) (Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple)
* 3 gem slots, ignore 126 armor


Warharness of Reckless Fury (1983Armor, 61STR, 67STA, 41Crit, 32Haste) TP:12411(10464 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots


9. Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Chestpiece 67STA+ +0.8%hit TP:11481(9534 base)
Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Chestpiece - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33728) Arena
* 3 gem slots, set bonuses

10. Bulwark of the Ancient Kings 56STA+ +1.6%hit TP:10926(8979 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28485) (crafted, armorsmithing-only)
* 3 gem slots, special ability

11. Merciless Gladiator's Plate Chestpiece 60STA+ +0.6%hit TP:10707(8760 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30486) (Arena)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots

12. Vindicator's Hauberk 39STA TP:10786
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29127) (Aldor Revered)
* baseline


Hard Khorium Battleplate (1728 Armor, 61STR, 55STA, 41Crit, 280ArmorPen) TP:10613(8666 base)
(crafted - Blacksmith BOP)
* 3 gem slots


13. Krakken-Heart Breastplate 42STA TP:10301
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30102) (SSC - Lady Vashj)

14. Bulwark of Kings 55STA+ +1.5%hit TP:10082(8135 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28484) (crafted, armorsmithing-only)
* 3 gem slots, special ability

15. Breastplate of the Bold 33STA+ TP:10038(8091 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28205) (Arcatraz - Harbinger Skyriss)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots

16. Destroyer Breastplate T5 DPS 48STA+ +1.0%hit TP:9933(7986 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30118) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)
* 3 gem slots, set bonuses

17. Gladiator's Plate Chestpiece 49STA+ +0.6%hit TP:9560(7613 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24544) (Arena)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots


Breastplate of Ire (1607 Armor, 52STR, 64STA, 51Haste) TP:9355(8706 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 1 gem slots



Netherforce Chestplate (1510Armor, 44STR, 42STA, 30Crit, 18Hit) TP:9130(7183 base)
(Heroic Magister's Terrace - Kael'thas)
* 3 gem slots


18. Warbringer Breastplate (T4 DPS chest) 39STA+ TP:8940(6993 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29019) (Magtheridon)
* set bonus, 3 gem slots

19. Bloodstained Elven Battlevest 69STA TP:8931
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33215) (Zul'Aman - Akil'zon)

20. Breastplate of Kings 46STA+ +1.3%hit TP:8761(6814 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28483) (crafted, armorsmithing-only)
* 3 gem slots, special ability

21. Warlord's Iron-Breastplate of the Monkey (lvl 70 BOE green 1103 Armor +37 Agility, +56 Stamina) TP:8536
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25024) (BOE green)

22. Heavy Earthforged Breastplate 36STA+ TP:8434(6487 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30074) (crafted, armorsmithing-only)
* 3 gem slots

23. Dreadnaught breastplate (T3 Chest) 43STA +1.3%hit TP:8396 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22416) (Naxx - 4 Horsemen)
* set bonuses

24. Jade-Skull Breastplate 50STA TP:8376
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28262) (Mechanar - Nethermancer Sepethrea)

25. Heartshatter Breastplate 45STA +1.9%hit TP:8172
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32365) (Mother Shahraz - Black Temple)

26. High Warlord's Plate Chestpiece 46STA+ TP:8115(6168 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28851) (24300 Honor, 30 AB Marks)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots

27. Breastplate of the Warbringer 45STA +1.9%hit TP:8021
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25819) (Nagrand quest)

28. Crimsonforge Breastplate 45STA +1.0%hit TP:6139
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27906) (Heroic Ramparts - Omor the Unscarred)






Chest Enchants

1. Formula: Enchant Chest - Exceptional Health (150HP) TP:811
Enchant Chest - Exceptional Health - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27957)
* baseline

2. Formula: Enchant Chest - Exceptional Stats (+6 all stats) TP:716
Enchant Chest - Exceptional Stats - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27960)

3. Vindicator's Armor Kit (8 def) TP:594
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25651)

4. Rugged Armor Kit (40 armor) TP:146
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=15564)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:13 PM
Head

Entry-level raiding: Felsteel is a great crafted starter helm. Even though felsteel and the Kara opera helm are the same mitigation, Eternium Greathelm is superior for its +26 strength. Stalwart Defender would be an insane helm if they used something other than resilience. 2.1: The new heroic badges helm is respectable, and worth getting if your guild isn't up to downing Prince yet. Since I dropped engineering for jewelcrafting I would like to say "The goggles, they do nothing!", but they are quite good and could possibly protect Radioactive man from the toxic waste. (Simpson's reference for those wondering what I'm smoking)

Tier 5 raiding: T5 will give a big tankpoints bump from whatever you are already wearing.

Tier 6 raiding: The T6 helm is pretty sad. Mathmatically it is equal to the Destroyer helm. I think someone made a mistake with this piece of gear, it doesn't even increase the stamina. The Block value is nice but even Warbringer(T4) has more, and come on, block rating has almost no value! The Faceplate off Illidan is what T6 should have been. Its got massive increases to all important tanking stats, even Block value. Someone report to Blizzard that weaksauce was spilled on the T6 tanking helm and it needs to be cleaned off.

Patch 2.3: Battleworn Tuskguard provides heavy block and stamina, no defense. They are a small TP upgrade over T4, but I don't think I would grind for it. The Vashj helm majorly outclasses it.




Crown of Dath'Remar (1611 Armor, 91 STA, 32Def, 53Dodge, 33Parry) TP:22376(19021 base)
* 1 meta, 1 blue gem slot +6 STA bonus + 283




Helm of Uther's Resolve (1611 Armor, 91STA, 32Def, 41Dodge, 38Block) TP:19978(16906 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot



1. Faceplate of the Impenetrable 82STA+ TP:19118(16046 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32521) (Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot


Hard Khorium Goggles (1296Armor, 86STA, 51Def, 27Hit, 35Dodge) TP:18273(15201 base)
(crafted - Engineering BOP - Sunwell Plateau drop)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot

The armor still looks wrong on this for the ilvl.


2. Destroyer Greathelm T5 tank 48STA+ TP:15973(12901 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30115) (SSC - Lady Vashj)
* 1 meta gem, 1 gem slot

3. Onslaught Greathelm 48STA+ TP:15733(12661 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30974) (Archimonde - Hyjal)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot

4. Tankatronic Goggles 67STA+ +0.5%hit TP: 15037(11965 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32473)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

5. Warbringer Greathelm (T4 tank helm) 53STA+ TP:13596(10524 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29011) (Karazhan - Prince)
* set bonuses, 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

6. Faceguard of the Endless Watch 49STA+ TP:13190(11243 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30731) (Doomwalker)
* 3 gem slots

7. Battleworn Tuskguard 60STA+ TP:12944(10997 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33421) (Zul'Aman - Malacrass)
* 3 gem slots

8. Onslaught Battle-Helm 54STA+ TP:12691(9619 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30972) (Archimonde - Hyjal)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot, ignore 105 armor

9. Faceguard of Determination 36STA+ TP:12607(9535 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32083) (Heroic Badges)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot


Crown of Anasterian (1660 Armor, 61STR, 67STA, 40Crit, 231ArmorPen) TP:11858(8786 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot


10. Myrmidon's Headdress 37STA+ TP:11058(7116 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28180) (Steamvault quest)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

11. Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Helm 61STA+ 0.8%hit TP:10873(7801 base)
Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Helm - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33730)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

12. Eternium Greathelm 48STA+ TP:10411(8464 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28593) (Karazhan - Opera)
* 3 gem slots

13. Helm of the Stalwart Defender 47STA+ TP:10092(8145 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23535) (crafted)
* 3 gem slots

14. Felsteel Helm 27STA+ TP:9393(7716 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23519) (crafted)
* 3 gem slots, set bonus for blacksmith

15. Merciless Gladiator's Plate Helm 54STA+ +0.6%hit TP:10182(7110 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30488)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

16. Destroyer Battle-Helm T5 DPS 45STA+ +1.3%hit TP:9607(6535 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30120) (SSC - Lady Vashj)
* 1 meta gem, 1 gem slot

17. Gladiator's Plate Helm 51STA+ TP:9668(6596 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24545) (Arena)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

18. Warhelm of the Bold 23STA+ TP:9583(6511 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28350) (Botanica - Warp Splinter)
* set bonuses, 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

19. Warbringer Battle-Helm (T4 DPS helm) 45STA +0.6%hit TP:9196(6124 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29021) (Karazhan - Prince)
* set bonuses, 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot

20. Helm of the Illidari Shatterer 39STA+ +2.2%hit TP:9059(5987 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32373) (Illdari Council - Black Temple)
* 1 meta, 1 gem slot

21. Thundering Greathelm 42STA TP:8781
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28775) (Magtheridon)

22. Amani Mask of Death 51STA +2.1%hit TP:8674(6727 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33810) (75 badges)
* 3 gem slots

23. Dreadnaught helmet (T3 helm) 45STA TP:7471 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22418) (Naxx - Thaddius)
* set bonuses

24. Greathelm of the Unbreakable 48STA TP:7271
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27520) (Shattered Halls - Grand Warlock Nethekurse)










Helm Enchants

1. Glyph of the Defender (16def, 17dodge) TP:2709
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29186)

2. Presence of Might (10STA, 15Block, 10Def) TP:1879
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19782)

3. Arcanum of Protection (12 dodge) TP:1034
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=18331)

4. Lesser Arcanum of Voracity (8 AGI) TP:485
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=11647)

5. Lesser Arcanum of Tenacity (125 armor) TP:458
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=11643)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:14 PM
Legs

Entry-level raiding: Putting 3 stam gems in Timewarden's leggings will get you the top stamina piece for that tier. Felsteel is a great starter item until you have Timewarden's.

Tier 5 raiding: This is another side-grade mathematically, but you're trading avoidance for mitigation.

Tier 6 raiding: The T6 legs are a perfect mix of the best tank stats, plenty of stam, block value, agility and parry. Praetorian's Legguards are also worth picking up for the +hit and the massive 120 stamina possible.

Patch 2.3: The shield block and stamina make Unwavering a great upgrade over Kara/Gruul, t5 still outclasses it with a better mix of more stats. I hate grinding for badges and 75 is going to be a pain.








Felstrength Legplates (1735 Armor, 78STA, 40Def, 50Dodge, 40Expertise) TP:18815(16868 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots


1. Onslaught Legguards 78STA+ TP:18418(17769 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30978) (Illdari Council - Black Temple)
* 1 gem slot


Judicator's Legguards 1735Armor, 78STA, 40Def, 34Dodge, 33Block) TP:17890(15943 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots



Sunguard Legplates (1544Armor, 78STA, 43Defense, 35Dodge, 23Expertise) TP:16370(15072 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 2 gem slots


2. Praetorian's Legguards 75STA+ +1.1%hit TP:15999(14052 base) *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32263) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)
* 3 gem slots

3. Destroyer Legguards T5 tank 60STA+ TP:14192(13543 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30116) (SSC - Fathom-Lord Karathress)
* 1 gem slot, set bonuses

4. Unwavering Legguards 73STA+ TP:13961(12014 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33515) (75 Badges)
* 3 gem slots

5. Warbringer Legguards (T4 tank legs) 55STA TP:13568
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29015) (Gruul)
* set bonuses

6. Wrynn Dynasty Greaves 48STA+ TP:12478(10531 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28621) (Karazhan - Curator)
* 3 gem slots

7. Onslaught Greaves 55STA+ +0.9%hit TP:10810(10161 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30977) (Illdari Council - Black Temple)
* 1 gem slot, ignore 105 armor

8. Felsteel Leggings 39STA+ TP:10256(8309 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23518) (crafted)
* 3 gem slots, set bonus for blacksmith

9. Timewarden's Leggings 57STA+ TP:10054(8107 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29184) (Keepers of Time Revered)
* 3 gem slots


Felfury Legplates (1735 Armor, 61STR, 48STA, 50Haste, 34Crit) TP:9747(7800 base)
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)
* 3 gem slots


10. Legguards of the Resolute Defender 42STA TP:9691
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29783) (Netherstorm quest)

11. Greaves of the Bloodwarder 46STA+ TO:8816(6869 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29950) (Eye - High Astromancer Solarian)
* 3 gem slots

12. Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Legguards 70STA 0.8%hit TP:8763
Vengeful Gladiator's Plate Legguards - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33731) Arena

13. Greaves of the Shatterer 37STA+ TP:8710(6763 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27527) (Shattered Halls - Bladefist)
* 3 gem slots

14. Legguards of Endless Rage 61STA +1.2%hit TP:8502
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30903) (Archimonde - Hyjal)


Legplates of Unending Fury (1544 Armor, 52STR, 48STA, 25Hit, 43Haste) TP:8449(7800 base)
(Heroic Badges)
* 2 gem slots


15. Legplates of the Bold 45STA TP:8363
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27977) (Black Morass - Aeonus)

16. Bloodthirster's Wargreaves 43STA +2.4%hit TP:8664(6717 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33501) (75 Badges)
* 3 gem slots

17. Destroyer Greaves T5 dps 57STA+ TP:8297(7648 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30121) (SSC - Fathom-Lord Karathress)
* 1 gem slot, set bonuses

18. Dreadnaught Legplates (T3 legs) 37STA TP:8156 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22417) (Naxx - Loatheb)
* set bonuses

19. Merciless Gladiator's Plate Legguards 63STA +0.9% TP:8057
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30489)
* set bonuses

20. Leggings of Divine Retribution 51STA TP:7569
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32341) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)
* ignore 350 armor

21. Mag'hari Warlord's Legplates 64STA TP:7338
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28175) (Horde-only Nagrand quest)

22. Gladiator's Plate Legguards 55STA +0.8%hit TP:7176
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24547) (Arena)
* set bonuses

23. Warbringer Greaves (T4 DPS legs) 54STA TP:7048
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29022) (Gruul)
* set bonuses





Leg Enchants

1. Nethercleft Leg Armor (40STA, 12AGI) TP:2965
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29536)

2. Clefthide Leg Armor (30STA, 10AGI) TP:2295
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29534)

3. Presence of Might (10STA, 15Block, 10Def) TP: 1879
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19782)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Back - Tanking Cloaks

Entry-level raiding: Devilshark is the top for mitigation stats by a respectable margin and has some good +Block on it. Always hold onto the top +Block items in each gear slot to that you can raise Shield Slam damage to crazy levels. Gotta love the crafted Cloak of Eternity for the top Stamina and cheap mats. No reason not to have that one as soon as you hit 70. The Karazhan epic (and any other cloak with tons of armor and stamina) is geared more for feral druids. Let them have it first, they will get more benefit. I put 3 lvl 70 green BOE items here so you can see where they rank and how. "of the Monkey" is equal to "of Stamina", and "of the Champion" is further down the list. Still, no reason to own these when Cloak of Eternity is 36 Stamina and the mats are ridiculously cheap.

Tier 5 raiding: Finally a small upgrade to Devilshark, although I really miss the +Block.

Tier 6 raiding: Patch 2.2 added a perfect cloak, lots of stamina and lots of +hit. It also added a respectable crafted aggro cloak

Patch 2.3: Do you think that the new badge cloak will finally placate the Devilshark debate? Pepe's Shroud is still the all around best cloak, but the new badge cloak should hold you until Hyjal.




1. Slikk's Cloak of Placation 37STA TP:6445
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33593) (35 Badges)

2. Phoenix-Wing Cloak 37STA TP:6348
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29925) (Eye - Al'ar)


Crimson Paragon's Cover (108Armor, 61STA, 28Dodge, 28Expertise) TP:6051
(Sunwell Plateau - Eredar Twins)


3. Devilshark Cape 22STA TP:5391
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27804) (SteamVault - Warlord Kalithresh)

4. Pepe's Shroud of Pacification 45STA +1.5%hit TP:5247 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34010) (Hyjal trash)

5. Gilded Thorium Cloak 30STA TP:4816
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28660) (Karazhan - Illhoof)

6. Burnoose of Shifting Ages 15STA TP:4582
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27988) (Black Morass - Chrono Lord Deja)

7. Cloak of Eternity 36STA TP:3891
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24253) (crafted)

8. Farstrider Defender's Cloak 30STA TP:3774
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29385) (25 heroic badges)

9. Thalassian Wildercloak 28STA TP:3485
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29994) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)

10. Cloak of Enduring Swiftness 13STA TP:3471
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24454) (Underbog - Swamplord Musel'ek)

11. Thoriumweave Cloak 35STA TP:3257
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28256) (Mechanar - Mechano-Lord Capacitus)

12. Bogstrok Scale Cloak 22STA TP:3226
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24379) (Slave Pens - Rokmar the Crackler)

13. Cryptfiend Silk Cloak 14STA +0.6hit TP:3202 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22938) (Naxx - Anub'Rekhan)

14. Amber Cape of the Monkey (lvl 70 BOE green 74 armor, +21 Agility, +32 Stamina) TP:3194
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25043) (BOE green)

15. Cloak of the Valiant Defender 21STA TP:3145
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29777) (Netherstorm quest)


Cloak of Blade Turning (387Armor, 31STA, 22Resilience) TP:3048
(Normal Magister's Terrace - Kael'thas)


16. Amber Cape of Stamina (lvl 70 BOE green 74 Armor, +48 Stamina) TP:2822
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25043) (BOE green)

17. Resolute Cape 30STA TP:2802
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24258) (crafted)

18. Ironscale War Cloak 26STA TP:2782
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27550) (Heroic Slave Pens - Rokmar the Crackler)

19. Amber Cape of the Champion (lvl 70 BOE green 74 armor, +16 Strength, +25 Stamina, +16 Defense Rating) TP:2717
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25043) (BOE green)

20. Mithril-Bark Cloak 32STA TP:2013
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28328) (Botanica - Laj)




Back - Aggro Cloaks


Entry-level raiding: The Back slot is not a big one for tanking stats, so its easy to trade off an insignificant amount of mitigation for some significant aggro generating stats. Try for a cloak that has a respectable amount of stamina that adds some +hit. If I could pick a Kara favorite, it would be Drape of the Dark Reavers. 1% to hit and a full load of agility while still maintaining respectable mitigation numbers, but good luck getting it from the hunters and rogues. Royal Cloak of Arathi Kings is a warrior cloak, and probably more attainable for a prot tank. Aggro items are unranked, but the tank points are listed so you can see how much mitigation you are giving up.



Crimson Paragon's Cover (108Armor, 61STA, 28Dodge, 28Expertise) TP:6051 *top stamina*
(Sunwell Plateau - Eredar Twins)



Pepe's Shroud of Pacification 45STA +1.5%hit TP:5247
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34010) (Hyjal trash)


Thalassian Wildercloak 28STA TP:3485
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29994) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)


Razor-Scale Battlecloak 22STA TP:2903
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30098) (SSC - Morogrim Tidewalker)


Drape of the Dark Reavers 21STA +1.1%hit TP:2820
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28672) (Karazhan - Shade of Aran)


Blood Knight War Cloak 22STA TP:2802
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29382) (25 heroic badges)


Cloak of Darkness 25STA+ TP:2380(1731 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33122) (crafted)


Capacitus' Cloak of Calibration 19STA TP:2355
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28249) (Mechanar - Cache of the Legion)


Dory's Embrace 34STA TP:2242
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33484) (60 Badges or Zul'Aman timed loot)


Royal Cloak of Arathi Kings 31STA +1.0%hit TP:2077
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28529) (Karazhan - Moroes)


Auchenai Death Shroud 15STA +1.1%hit TP:1928
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27878) (Heroic Auchenai Crypts - Avatar of the Martyred)


Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape 24STA +1.1%hit TP:1689
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32323) (Teron Gorefiend - Black Temple)


Netherfury Cape 19STA TP:1318
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28371) (Botanica Warp Splinter)


Cloak of the Inciter 15STA +1.0%hit TP:1082
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27892) (Shadow Labs - Blackheart the Inciter)





Cloak Enchants

1. Formula: Enchant Cloak - Dodge (12 dodge) TP:1034
Enchant Cloak - Dodge - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=25086)

2. Formula: Enchant Cloak - Greater Agility (12 AGI) TP:729
Enchant Cloak - Greater Agility - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34004)

3. Formula: Enchant Cloak - Major Armor (120 Armor) TP:441
Enchant Cloak - Major Armor - Spells - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27961)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:16 PM
Neck

Entry-level raiding: The neck off Maiden has the top mitigation stats for starting raiding. Again, this is a weaker slot for tank gear, so it would be a good place to stack some aggro stats.

Tier 5 raiding: The quest reward for killing Kael'thas has awesome stats, of course its a level 138 item and should have awesome stats. Frayed Tether has a nice balance of tank stats and +hit.

Tier 6 raiding: Titans is better than Darkener's Grasp due to the hit rating, but both are far beyond all other necks.

Patch 2.3: Brooch of Deftness is not big on tank stats aside from the 48STA, but the 1.25% mob parry reduction is an important tank stat that is not quite measurable by tankpoints. This would be a nice piece to wear in all situations.





1. The Darkener's Grasp 40STA TP:6367
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30007) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider quest reward)

2. Pendant of Titans 43STA +1.3%hit TP:6147
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32362) (Reliquary of Souls - Black Temple)


Collar of the Pit Lord (60STA, 29Expertise, 25Defense) TP:5193
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)


3. Barbed Choker of Discipline 39STA TP:5189
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28516) (Karazhan - Maiden)

4. Necklace of the Juggernaut 33STA TP:4618
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29386) (25 Heroic Badges)

5. Strength of the Untamed 27STA TP:4428
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29173) (Cenarion Expedition Revered)

6. Frayed Tether of the Drowned 45STA +1.1%hit TP:4328
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30099) (SSC - Fathom-Lord Karathress)

7. Maladaar's Blessed Chaplet 30STA TP:4140
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27871) (Heroic Auchenai Crypts - Exarch Maladaar)

8. Thalodien's Charm 37STA TP:3656
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=58671) (Netherstorm quest Scryer

9. Natasha's Battle Chain 37STA TP:3656
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31696) (Blade's Edge quest)

10. Necklace of the Deep 20STA+ TP:3574(2276 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32508) (crafted)
* 2 gem slots

11. Mark of the Ravenguard 40STA TP:3491
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29336) (Sethekk Halls quest)

12. Mark of C'Thun 24STA TP:3382 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=22732) (AQ40 - C'Thun)

13. Enchanted Thorium Torque 27STA +1.0%hit TP:3142
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28321) (Botanica - High Botanist Freywinn)

14. Tanzanite Pendant of the Monkey (+21 Agility, +32 Stamina) TP:2964
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25071)


Hard Khorium Choker (42STA, 29Haste, 58AP, 150ArmorPen) TP:2941(2292 base)
(crafted JC BOP)
* 1 gem slot


15. Maimfist's Choker 27STA TP:2775
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25809) (Horde Shattered Halls quest)

16. Medallion of the Valiant Guardian 27STA TP:2775
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25803) (Alliance Shattered Halls quest)

17. Blessed Medallion of Karabor 49STA TP:2657
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32757) (Black Temple attunement quest reward)

18. Brooch of Deftness 48STA +1.4%hit 21Expertise TP:2605 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33296) (35 badges)


Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve (48STA, 13hit, 18Expertise) TP:2605 *top stamina*
(Shattered Sun - Exaulted)
* DPS proc


19. Steam-Hinge Chain of Valor 26STA TP:2573
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27792) (Steamvault - Mekgineer Steamrigger)

20. Choker of Serrated Blades 37STA TP:2032
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32591) (Black Temple trash)
* ignore 175 armor

21. Thick Felsteel Necklace 36STA TP:1980
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24106) (crafted)




Aggro Necks

Entry-level raiding: I only picked necks close to 20 in stamina. The pvp neck is interesting as it has a gem slot, but if I could have any from heroics/Kara, I'd take the neck off Heroic Rokmar or Worgen Claw.

Tier 5 raiding: Frayed Tether is an excellent all purpose neck.

Tier 6 raiding: Again the titans neck is an excellent all purpose neck.

Patch 2.3: Brooch of Deftness is a must have for aggro. There is no other neck. Expertise and +hit. In total it will give you 3.9% in landing your Shield Slams without a dodge, parry or miss.




Pendant of Titans 43STA +1.3%hit TP:6147
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32362) (Reliquary of Souls - Black Temple)


Collar of the Pit Lord (60STA, 29Expertise, 25Defense) TP:5193
(Sunwell Plateau - ???)


Frayed Tether of the Drowned 45STA +1.1%hit TP:4328
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30099) (SSC - Fathom-Lord Karathress)

Necklace of the Deep 20STA+ TP:3574(2276 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32508) (crafted)
* 2 gem slots

Saberclaw Talisman 33STA TP:3017
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28674) (Karazhan - Shade of Aran)


Hard Khorium Choker (42STA, 29Haste, 58AP, 150ArmorPen) TP:2941(2292 base)
(crafted JC BOP)
* 1 gem slot


Blessed Medallion of Karabor 49STA TP:2657
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32757) (Black Temple attunement quest reward)

Brooch of Deftness 48STA +1.4%hit 21Expertise TP:2605 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33296) (35 badges)


Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve (48STA, 13hit, 18Expertise) TP:2605 *top stamina*
(Shattered Sun - Exaulted)
* Dodge or Expertise proc


Mithril Chain of Heroism 19STA TP:2490
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28745) (Karazhan - Chess Event)

Veteran's Pendant of Triumph 31STA+ TP:2368(1719 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28244) (22500 Honor, 10 Eye Marks)
* 1 gem slot

Worgen Claw Necklace 21STA +1.1%hit TP:2272
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28509) (Karazhan - Attumen)

Soldier's Dog Tags 19STA TP:2135
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27495) (Heroic Blood Furnace - Keli'dan the Breaker)

Choker of Vile Intent 19STA +1.0%hit TP:2114
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29381) (25 Heroic Badges)

Bone Chain Necklace 18STA TP:2057
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27779) (Heroic Underbog - The Black Stalker)

Choker of Serrated Blades 37STA TP:2032
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32591) (Black Temple trash)
* ignore 175 armor

The Savage's Choker 37STA TP:2032
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33297) (Zul'Aman - Lynx Avatar Halazzi)

Pendant of the Perilous 24STA TP:1352
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30022) (SSC - trash)

Skeletal Necklace of Battlerage 21STA +0.8%hit TP:1195
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27551) (Heroic Slave Pens - Rokmar the Crackler)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Rings

Rings are a good slot to switch over to aggro gear. In most situation, you should tank with at least 1 aggro ring on.

Entry level raiding: Pick up any 2 blue rings, then the first Kara ring will replace one as soon as you complete the early quests. Eventually your goal will be the Exaulted Kara ring and the Shermanar Great-Ring as your max tanking set. If Aran doesn't give it up to you, Mag's head is a guaranteed drop.

Tier 5 raiding: Ring of Sundered Souls is one of the best in the game and a huge upgrade over anything you have. Also pick up Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen, with that high block value it is a good all purpose ring. Once you get replacements, consider trading your Kara ring in for the DPS aggro version with 1.3% hit.

Tier 6 raiding: The Hyjal rep ring is the #1 ring starting at Revered. Band of the Abyssal Lord has 1.3% hit and top stamina, and is a must get for the aggro stat without sacrificing tank stats.

Patch 2.3: Zul'Aman provides various rings as rewards for completing the timed events. There is a blocking ring, a pvp ring and an aggro ring.




1. Band of the Eternal Defender (Scale of the Sands Tanking Exaulted & Revered) 43STA TP:6378
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29297) (Hyjal rep reward - Exaulted)
* armor proc


Sunwell Badge Loot - Tank Ring (392Armor, 45STA, 28Dodge) TP:6316
(Heroic Badges)


2. Ring of Sundered Souls 45STA TP:5933
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30083) (SSC - Morogrim Tidewalker)

3. Band of Eternity (Tanking Honored) 40STA 40Block TP:5875
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29296) (Hyjal rep reward)

4. Band of Eternity (Tanking Friendly) 37STA 38Block TP:5230
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29296) (Hyjal rep reward)

5. Band of the Abyssal Lord 53STA +1.3%hit TP:5054
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32261) (Supremus - Black Temple)

6. Violet Signet of the Great Protector 37STA TP:4983
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29279) (Violent Eye Exaulted)

7. A'dal's Signet of Defense 34STA TP:4728
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28792) (Magtheridon's head quest)

8. Shermanar Great-Ring 36STA TP:4705
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28675) (Karazhan - Shade of Aran)

9. Violet Signet (Tanking Revered) 36STA TP:4657
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29278) (Violet Eye Revered)

10. Ring of Unyielding Force 31STA TP:4497
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29384) (25 Heroic Badges)

11. Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen 37STA TP:4441
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30028) (Eye - trash drop)

12. Elementium Band of the Sentry 24STA TP:4415
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28407) (Arcatraz - Harbinger Skyriss)

13. Violet Signet (Tanking Honored) 33STA TP:4419
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29277) (Violet Eye Honored)

14. Signet of the Last Defender 45STA TP:4199
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33499) (Zul'Aman - timed event)


Hard Khorium Band (30AGI, 42STA, 28Haste, 58AP) TP:4122
(crafted BOE)


15. Band of Impenetrable Defenses 36STA TP:4088
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31319) (random BOE)

16. Band of the Eternal Champion (Scale of the Sands DPS Exaulted & Revered) 43STA TP:4052
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29301)
* proc

17. Signet of Eternal Life 54STA TP:2982 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33500) (Zul'Aman - timed event)

18. Lieutenant's Signet of Lordaeron 30STA TP:3912
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28211) (Heroic Old Hillsbrad - Lt Drake)

19. Yor's Revenge 30STA TP:3872
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31924) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Yor "summoned boss")

20. Ring of the Dreadnaught 27STA TP:3642 *best lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23059) (Naxx - Kel'Thuzad)

21. Delicate Eternium Ring 15STA TP:3604
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24088) (crafted)

22. Protector's Mark of the Redemption 22STA TP:3603
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31078) (Shadowmoon quest)

23. Ring of Deceitful Intent 42STA +1.2%hit TP:3525
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32266) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)

24. Violet Signet (Tanking Friendly) 27STA TP:3506
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29276) (Violet Eye Friendly)

25. Iron Band of the Unbreakable 27STA TP:3446
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27436) (Old Hillsbrad - Lt Drake)

26. Crystal Band of Valor 27STA +1.0%hit TP:3217
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27822) (Heroic Mana Tombs - Tavarok)

27. Ring of the Stonebark 18STA TP:3199
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31528) (Blade's Edge quest)

28. Wind Trader's Band 34STA +0.4%hit TP:3176
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30006) (Netherstorm quest)

29. Andormu's Tear 0STA TP:3027
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29323) (Black Morass quest)

30. Ring of Emperor Vek'lor 18STA TP:2981 *lvl 60 epic*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=21601) (AQ40 - Twin Emps)

31. Ancestral Ring of Conquest 30STA TP:2938
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30061) (SSC - The Lurker Below)


Band of Determination (252Armor, 35Stamina, 17Expertise) TP:2837
(Magister's Terrace - Vexallus)


32. Ring of Lethality 19STA +1.2%hit TP:2425
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30052) (SSC - Hydross)

33. Shapeshifter's Signet 18STA TP:2419
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30834) (Lower City Exaulted)

34. Heavy Adamantite Ring 42STA TP:2302
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24078) (crafted)

35. Dath'Remar's Ring of Defense 15STA TP:2286
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28265) (Mechanar - Pathaleon the Calculator)

36. Band of Vile Aggression 37STA TP:2041
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33055) (SSC - Hydross)




Aggro Rings

Entry level raiding: My favorites for entry level raiding are Shapeshifter's Signet, Garona's Signet, Resounding Ring of Glory and Kara Master Assassin ring. Crystal Band of Valor should get an honorable mention down here. Its listed in the tank rings but has 1% +hit on it. Shapeshifter's Signet is the only ring with Expertise on it equallying 2.5% hit making it the top aggro ring.

Tier 5 raiding: When a better tanking ring drops, you can trade in for the Kara Master Assassin ring. Leave the other DPS rings that don't have +hit for the physical DPS classes.

Tier 6 raiding: Band of the Abyssal Lord & Ring of Deceitful Intent make for a perfect aggro set and you aren't sacrificing tank stats. Shapeshifter's Signet is still viable as an aggro ring at this level, but it becomes less attractive as you hit the dodge reduction cap of 23 Expertise.





Band of the Abyssal Lord 53STA +1.3%hit TP:5054
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32261) (Supremus - Black Temple)



Hard Khorium Band (30AGI, 42STA, 28Haste, 58AP) TP:4122
(crafted BOE)


Band of the Eternal Champion (DPS Exaulted & Revered) 43STA TP:4052
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29301)
* proc


Ring of Deceitful Intent 42STA +1.2%hit TP:3525
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32266) (Shade of Akama - Black Temple)


Signet of Primal Wrath 30STA TP:3299
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33496) (Zul'Aman - timed event)


Ancestral Ring of Conquest 30STA TP:2938
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30061) (SSC - The Lurker Below)


Band of Determination (252Armor, 35Stamina, 17Expertise) TP:2837
(Magister's Terrace - Vexallus)



Lightwarden's Band 27STA TP:2553
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29128) (Aldor Revered)


Garona's Signet Ring 25STA +1.1%hit TP:2511
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28649) (Karazhan - Curator)


Ring of Lethality 19STA +1.2%hit TP:2425
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30052) (SSC - Hydross)


Shapeshifter's Signet 18STA TP:2419
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30834) (Lower City Exaulted)


Band of Devastation 44STA TP:2407
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32526) (Black Temple trash)
* 31 haste rating


Averinn's Ring of Slaying 18STA TP:2255
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27453) (Heroic Ramparts - Vazruden's chest)


Band of Vile Aggression 37STA TP:2041
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33055) (SSC - Hydross)


Ravenclaw Band 15STA +0.8%hit TP:1980
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27925) (Sethekk Halls - Talon King Ikiss)


A'dal's Command 16STA TP:1958
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29177) (Sha'tar Exaulted)


Band of Ursol 22STA TP:1939
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27740) (Heroic Slave Pens - Quagmirran)

Stormrage Signet Ring 33STA +1.9%hit TP:1831
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32497) (Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple)
* ignore 126 armor


Longstrider's Loop 15STA +0.7%hit TP: 1749
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=25962) (Mana Tombs - Nexus-Prince Shaffar)

Unstoppable Aggressor's Ring 28STA TP:1619
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32335) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)


Violet Signet of the Master Assassin 28STA +1.6%hit TP:1570
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29283) (Violet Eye Exaulted)


Band of the Ranger-General 27STA +1.1%hit TP:1518
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29997) (Eye - Kael'thas Sunstrider)


Resounding Ring of Glory 24STA +1.0%hit TP:1358
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27904) (Heroic Old Hillsbrad - Epoch Hunter)


Mithril Band of the Unscarred 21STA TP:1358
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28730) (Karazhan - Netherspite)


Band of the Exorcist 24STA 0.6%hit TP:1308
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28553) (50 Spirit Shards)


Ring of Arathi Warlords 24STA TP:1308
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29379) (25 Heroic Badges)


Ring of a Thousand Marks 18STA +1.0%hit TP:1151
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28757) (Karazhan - Prince)


Reavers' Ring 18STA TP:1044
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27460) (Heroic Ramparts - Vazruden's chest)


Ring of the Shadow Deeps 15STA +0.8%hit TP:837
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27761) (Heroic Underbog - Ghaz'an)

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:21 PM
The trinkets are ranked in order of their passive tankpoints, but I also list the on use proc. If you religiously popped the trinket every time the cooldown was up, you could add the average into the passive amount. Moroes's trinket gives the best stat increase and has the best on use effect for early raiding. Even though the Gnomer auto-blocker is on the bottom, it is still a must have for any protection warrior. Popping that makes your shield slams deadly, more for a pvp and soloing toy. The new Darkmoon sets have a trinket with 51 Stamina and procs. I never thought I'd see 1020 hp coming from the trinkey slots. The new rep reward for Netherwing has the same stamina as the engineer's trinket.

Entry level raiding: If you have the funds, buy both Darkmoon cards. You will use one or both in most fights, trading in one of the higher powered avoidance trinkets on select fights you need a panic button. Moroes' watch is a great one to help get through a Gruul silence.

Tier 5 raiding: Pick up Hydross's trinket for a good avoidance piece. It also makes it easier to be uncritable in future Hydross fights.

Tier 6 raiding: Shadowmoon Insignia has a ton of passive avoidance.

Patch 2.3: Unlike the other avoidance trinkets a big load of parry will not hurt your rage/aggro generation. I don't know the cooldown yet.




1. Shadowmoon Insignia TP:5861 passive, + TP:9462 for 20 sec proc / 3 min cooldown (1051 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32501) (Gurtogg Bloodboil - Black Temple)
* 1750 max hp on use


Figurine - Empyrean Tortoise 42Defense TP:3380 passive + 16291 for 20 sec proc / 2 min cooldown (2715 averate over time)
(crafted jewelcrafters only)
165 Dodge for 20 seconds / 2 min


2. Scarab of Displacement 0STA TP:3357 passive + 15519 for 15 sec proc / 3 min cooldown (1293 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30629) (SSC - Hydross)



Commendation of Kael'thas 57STA TP:3298 passive + 14782 for 10 sec proc / 30 sec cooldown (4927 averate over time)
(Heroic Magister's Terrace - Priestess Delrissa)
152 Dodge for 10 seconds / 30 seconds

This trinket used to have a godly 20% dodge proc, but it was nerfed to 8%. I'm guessing Rogues were using it to pvp with and got it nerfed. Even with the nerfed proc, 57 Stamina is still worth wearing and 8% dodge right when you need some avoidance is a good thing.




3. Moroes' Lucky Pocket Watch TP:3244 passive + 36257 for 10 sec proc / 2 min cooldown (3021 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28528) (Karazhan - Moroes)


4. Ancient Aqir Artifact TP:3067 passive + 8937 for 20 sec proc / 2 min cooldown (1490 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33830) (Zul'Aman - Zul'jin)


4. Darkmoon Card: Vengeance 51STA TP:2865 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31858) (collect a set of Furies cards)


4. Darkmoon Card: Madness 51STA TP:2865 *top stamina*
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31859) (collect a set of Lunacy cards)


6. Gnomish Poultryizer/Goblin Rocket Launcher 45STA TP:2541 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23835) (crafted engineering only)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23836) (crafted engineering only)


6. Commander's Badge 45STA TP:2541 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32864) (Netherwing Revered)


8. Figurine - Dawnstone Crab TP:2543 passive + 11710 for 20 sec proc / 2 min cooldown (1951 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24125) (crafted jewelcrafters only)


8. Adamantine Figurine TP:2543 passive + 4546 for 20 sec proc / 2 minute cooldown (757 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27891) (Shadow Labs - Blackheart the Inciter)


10. Styleen's Impeding Scarab TP:2647 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=19431) (BWL - Flamegor)


11. Dabiri's Enigma TP:2342 passive + 9113 for 15 sec proc / 90 sec cooldown (1518 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30300) (Netherstorm quest)


12. Spyglass of the Hidden Fleet 40STA TP:2216 passive + (1300 healing per 2 min)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30620)


13. Violet Badge 36STA TP:2000 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31113) (Karazhan quest)


13. Argussian Compass 36STA TP:2000 passive + 727 during use (121 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27770) (Heroic Underbog - The Black Stalker)


15. Regal Protectorate TP:2142 passive + 4866 during use (243 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28042) (Hellfire quest)


16. Stormpike Insignia Rank 6 TP:2020 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=17904) (AV rep quest)


17. Onyxia Blood Talisman TP:2327 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=18406) (Onyxia quest)


18. Alchemist's Stone TP:1727 passive
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=13503) (crafted alchemists only)


19. Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker 600 TP:2008 passive + 7291 during use (334 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29387) (41 Heroic badges)


20. Badge of Tenacity TP:1089 passive + 9632 during use (1605 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32658) (Ogri'la Depleted Badge)


21. Figurine of the Colossus TP:338 passive + 4195 during use (699 average over time)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=27529) (Shattered Halls - Kargath)


Steely Naaru Silver (54Expertise) TP: 0 passive + 7431 for 15 sec proc / 5 min cooldown (371 average over time)
* 2000 Armor for 15 sec / 5 min (7431


22. Ashtongue Talisman of Valor TP:0 passive 1784 proc
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32485) (Exaulted Ashtongue Deathsworn)
* 25% healing/strength proc

Berginyon
08-05-2007, 06:21 PM
Reserved for the best questions...

Kazeyonoma
08-06-2007, 09:31 AM
Hey hey! glad to see Berg came on over and posted his gear list. Good stuff.

Ciderhelm
08-06-2007, 12:50 PM
Berginyon, I'm going to copy this and start dividing it up by post in a separate forum to provide a formal guide for people. I'll show you how it looks once that's done.

Trema
08-21-2007, 03:55 PM
coupla issues... one, why no blazefury? and two, isnt Belt of the Guardian top stam belt over Crimson Gridle?

Berginyon
08-22-2007, 10:50 AM
I should have included Blazefury when I added T5 level gear. I still need to update a couple of the labels, thanks for pointing that one out.

I plan on redoing all the numbers when the next content comes out, maybe 2.2 if it introduces enough new gear. I'll shift the baseline gear to a full Kara level gearset. (I threw a Nethercleft on the pants I used for the baseline, of course that throws off all my numbers :-( )

veneretio
08-22-2007, 11:24 AM
For example, if you have the Gladiator's Shield Wall, then your defense cap is actually 473.
Shouldn't this number actually be 471?

60 defense rating = 25 defense = 39.4 Resilience = 1&#37; crit immune

31/39.4 = 0.78680203 * 25 = 19.6700508 Defense

Berginyon
08-23-2007, 01:08 PM
I was doing the original 29 resilience shield, but I had that number wrong too. Updated.

I added item links to all gear but it doesn't appear that I can update the topic title to the updated date. Cider, can author's edit the topic title?

OldHarry
08-23-2007, 01:42 PM
Great guide BTW, thanks for writing it, keeping it updated, and the mouse-over links are awesome, and safe for work :)

Kazeyonoma
08-23-2007, 02:03 PM
great guide, and thanks for the effort to put item links for everything. Must've taken forever. You should be able to edit the title though.

Fubar
08-23-2007, 02:15 PM
I love this post, such great work, thank you very much.

It's really helpful to see this in this format, it makes so much sense.


Appreciate the effort,
Fubar

Bovafett
08-23-2007, 04:47 PM
VERY informative post, thank you for all your hard work. This will be a great guideline for me and many alike for a while to come = )

Berginyon
08-24-2007, 10:04 AM
There is another update in the works, I am adding the Hyjal and Black Temple gear, and updating the baseline gear set to a full Kara/T4. I've already done the numbers from the new instances, but it will take a while to go back through and re-calculate the other gear. (I've completed 6 of the pages so far.)

Yggsrath
08-25-2007, 04:08 AM
This is an outstanding guide, very synthetic and useful !

One question I have though is what about the blacksmithing improvement ? where do they stand compared to the other enchants ? (I'm thinking shield spike and steel weapon chain for instance)

Yggs

Berginyon
08-26-2007, 05:45 PM
I have a weapon chain on Grom'tor's Charge for the sole purpose of the 5 mans where the trash disarms, and for the single room in Karazhan with the Ethereal Thiefs. It is too much of a sacrifice to put it on your main weapon. As for shield spikes, I haven't done the math to see how much damage it would do in a boss fight. Given effective health gearing, its hard to take that one over +18 stamina regardless.

Marleigh
08-28-2007, 08:43 AM
Not so much by choice, but I am currently using Triptych Shield of the Ancients, the pally shield that drops from the Chess Event.

I was carrying the Warrior Netherwing quest shield prior to this and I thought the 1200 armor increase from the Pally shield was better. I will be replacing this soon with the Sha'tar Exalted or Coldarra Shield, but where would the Triptych Shield rank on the Shield chart?

Berginyon
08-28-2007, 12:26 PM
Added the Black Temple/Hyjal gear, updated to armory links where available.


Marleigh: Its a good upgrade over the Netherwing shield, I'd put it at 26210, so 1k shy of Crest of the Sha'tar. I don't want to start listing pally shields though especially since that is a healing shield.

Ciderhelm
09-18-2007, 09:21 PM
Will be creating a sub-forum and webpage for this and the other gear guides ASAP.

Berginyon
10-03-2007, 06:32 AM
* Updated with 2.2.2 changes *

Kazeyonoma
10-03-2007, 10:47 AM
good to see this being updated constantly, thanks for the hardwork berg

Kazeyonoma
10-03-2007, 11:49 AM
btw berg in the shoulder section i think you meant Onslaught Shoulderguards not shoulderblades for the #2 slot.

Onslaught Shoulderguards

Dralmoo
10-10-2007, 01:05 PM
Can you add the new +20 AGI to the tank weapon enchant section? Better than Mongoose possibly?

HarounZehra
10-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Question: How did you get Myrmidon's Headress to calculate as MORE TP than Felsteel Helm? My numbers are as follows:

Myrmidon: (+9 sta gem; +18 sta/ +5&#37; stun resist meta; +16 def/ +17 dodge enchant)
= 291 points LESS than

Felsteel: (+9 sta; +9 sta; +4 str/ +6sta; +16 def/ +17 dodge enchant)
= 291 points MORE than Myrmidon

Kazeyonoma
10-11-2007, 03:21 PM
all of these are without gems factored in i believe zehra.

HarounZehra
10-12-2007, 04:39 AM
I think he's got gems and/ or enchants in the mix. If you look at each item posted, he's got a TP value, followed by a base value. For example, lets look at the 2 items I'm asking about:



11. [Myrmidon's Headdress] 37STA+ TP:9663(7116 base)
The Armory (Steamvault quest)
* 1 gem slot, 1 meta slot


12. [Felsteel Helm] 27STA+ TP:9393(7716 base)
The Armory (crafted)
* 3 gem slots, set bonus for blacksmith

Berginyon
10-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Question: How did you get Myrmidon's Headress to calculate as MORE TP than Felsteel Helm? My numbers are as follows:

Myrmidon: (+9 sta gem; +18 sta/ +5% stun resist meta; +16 def/ +17 dodge enchant)
= 291 points LESS than

Felsteel: (+9 sta; +9 sta; +4 str/ +6sta; +16 def/ +17 dodge enchant)
= 291 points MORE than Myrmidon

The rankings factor in gems (assuming stamina geming) but not enchants.

Everyone will have different tank points on an item depending on the overall quality of the rest of your gear. The baseline set I use gives more value to 10STA than 340Armor because I already have alot(16.5k) of armor already. At 14k, you will get more benefit from the armor than the stamina.

I provide this list as a reference, but encourage you to download the mod for yourself if you want to see how an item affects your particular gearset.

TheIceMan
10-15-2007, 07:19 AM
when will you add the 2.3 items (heroic / za) *g*

btw nice list :cool:

Berginyon
10-15-2007, 07:27 AM
I've started compiling the data but I'm wary doing the calculations when things could change. But... with all the fun side-grade to T5/T6 items in this patch it's the whole reason you need a gear guide to see how things stack up, so I think I will release and update before the patch goes live. Maybe within a week.

OldHarry
10-15-2007, 07:35 AM
Everyone will have different tank points on an item depending on the overall quality of the rest of your gear. The baseline set I use gives more value to 10STA than 340Armor because I already have alot(16.5k) of armor already. At 14k, you will get more benefit from the armor than the stamina.

Thank you for that explanation as I will get more tankpoints from the Felsteel, and couldn't figure out why. I have downloaded the tankpoints and it was driving me nuts about the discrepancy. I had forgotten about the whole armor/stamina scaling differences.

TheIceMan
10-15-2007, 04:11 PM
thx 4 the quick response

atm iam not sure what i should get

new heroic bracers / amu or the blocker trinket -.-

(i have no luck @ maiden / morr with my twink and some new mainchars still need them)

http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Ices


btw: i realy like this post

Berginyon
10-16-2007, 07:21 AM
The Defiance change that adds +6 Expertise along with the 2 new attainable Expertise items are huge. (Especially for a warrior who rolled night elf :-) ) A tank can now actually gear to reduce mob avoidance and since we are the only one who melees from the front, it is most applicable to us.

Back-to-Back boss parries along with a special attack are those rare events that instantly kill you and you are left wondering WTF? Expertise is an avoidance stat in that it is the only way to reduce those killer parries in addition to being a completely overpowered tank aggro stat.

I bet you'll see T6 geared tanks picking up all the +Expertise items even though they are lower level than their BT/Hyjal gear.

This is a huge buff to prot warriors.

HarounZehra
10-17-2007, 02:13 PM
The Defiance change that adds +6 Expertise along with the 2 new attainable Expertise items are huge. (Especially for a warrior who rolled night elf :-) ) A tank can now actually gear to reduce mob avoidance and since we are the only one who melees from the front, it is most applicable to us.

I'm not familiar with what you're referring to here. Can you point me in the right direction?

Kazeyonoma
10-17-2007, 04:36 PM
man i want those new legs and boots. holy 1k sbv batman!

Shortypop
10-18-2007, 01:30 AM
Thanks for the explanation of expertise, a couple of 2.3 related questions:

- What's the cap on weapon expertise?
- Is weapon expertise purely a tank stat?
- Wasnt there meant to be a new weapon enchant?

Once again, many thanks, you've definitely made my next upgrade easier to spot :)

Berginyon
10-18-2007, 06:36 AM
The theorycrafting on Expertise is still ongoing, verifying the mechanics that Blizzard is stating with in game data. I'll update this thread as things are backed with numbers.

- What's the cap on weapon expertise?

I've read skull bosses have 5.6&#37; dodge rate and at least a 5.6% parry rate, but then I've also read of some bosses having a higher parry rate of over 10% but that might just mean sloppy melee are hitting from the front or sides giving them extra parries. That would mean 23 Expertise skill.

Defiance + the 2 heroic badge items will give you 17 Expertise skill. 1 more item and you're capped.

- Is weapon expertise purely a tank stat?

Rogues and DPS warriors will be after this too. A point of expertise rating will give more DPS benefit than a point of hit rating, and most are already at their yellow damage hit cap. If a Rogue caps out, they no longer have to attack from behind. Tanks get double the benefit though since we are always attacking from the front and parry reduction is HUGE.

- Wasnt there meant to be a new weapon enchant?


I didn't list Executioner yet, it gives armor penetration.

thugthedum
10-18-2007, 07:19 AM
Strength/Attack Power will increase your white damage, Revenge and Devastate damage only (and shield slam damage in a tiny amount). All other abilities do not scale with attack power.

I disagree. Heroic Strike scales with AP, and is a significant source of threat. Also, in rage starved scenarios, Str/AP create a significant source of rage.

Berginyon
10-19-2007, 07:22 AM
True, but is it worth considering when you are itemizing your gear?

First of all Heroic Strike is a fixed non-scaling bonus on top of the white damage that you would have done normally, so I didn't include that as something that is buffed by strength/ap. Using a heroic strike also negates the benefit of increased rage gain from Damage, but how much rage does stacking strength give you? Lets do some really simplified math:

From the last Blue post on Rage:

Rage = (Damage Done / 274.7 * 7.5 + (weapon speed*2.5))/2

Lets assume you are using a King's Defender and your white hits for 150. You will gain 4.05 rage per swing.

It takes 5 strength (10 AP) to increase the damage done per swing by 1.14 (with a 1.6 speed weapon).

And at 151 damage you gain 4.06 rage per swing

Over 100 swings assuming you don't Heroic Strike, and the mob doesn't make you miss, dodge, parry or take a glancing blow (which is very unrealistic and simplified). You gain 1 rage.




Now lets look at Rage gained from receiving damage

Rage Gained = Damage Taken / 274.7 * 2.5

A 2000 damage hit will give you 18.20 rage. Over 100 mob swings, if you were to reduce your dodge rate by 1%, you would gain 18.2 rage.



Anyone who has tried to tank MC in BWL+ gear knows that you have to nerf your armor to balance yourself properly to those fights. There is no such thing as a rage starved fight. Reduce your gear to where your rage gain is in your comfort zone otherwise you are the one starving yourself of rage. Taking damage is the best way to gain rage, and if you replace heavy damage reduction gear with aggro/+hit/ap gear, even better.


DISCLAIMER: Nothing in these equations are linear. Don't equate that 5 strength = 1 rage gained over 100 swings.

thugthedum
10-19-2007, 09:50 AM
There is no such thing as a rage starved fight.

Everything you are saying is true, except for the above.

- second or tertiary tank on Gruul
- second tank on Moroes
- second tank on lewt reaver
- second tank on just about anything really

Any time the MT is main tanking something and they get all the in damage, sure - they don't need str/ap as in damage is by far their biggest source of gear. But any time you -don't- have aggro and need it, str/ap is the only thing making you get rage faster.

I have a heroics gearing strategy that involves str/ap as well. +hit has less value against L70 trash and L72 bosses. So in heroics I get to 465 or so (uncrittable to L72 in my S2 shield) and stack strength. This means I get more rage - not only from less avoidance, but also from white damage - which means I get more control. The bosses in heroics don't hit hard enough to really saturate the rage bar.

I wrote a quick rage simulator to make sure I was on the right track with this a few months ago, and the math works.

http://www.ro-guild.com/thug/rage.php

It's all about rage, most of the time.

Edit: to sum up, I would agree that an MT in a good raid (with everyone running, and paying attention to, Omen/KLH) does not need to worry about str -too- much, with the exception that threat does scale with AP; and many fights are dps races. But in many fights, the raid is not only keeping TPS below the MT, but also below an OT. By definition, only one of the MT or OT is taking damage. It is the OT who needs to worry about str because it helps them increase their TPS even in a situation where they are receiving no damage.

Berginyon
10-19-2007, 12:44 PM
Yea, you're right. I tend to look at everything from a 25man Main Tank's perspective where you have boss aggro for most of the fight and a team of healers who's only goal is to keep you up. Yes outside that role there are rage starved fights.



I like the simulator. It's very useful to see simulations based off the ideal usage of the GCD and queuing Heroic Strike. With a hard hitting boss you generate almost no rage from damage because you use so many Heroic Strikes. Use a soft hitting boss and you have to generate alot of the rage yourself, but the simulator is missing the rage per swing calculation.

I added the average rage gained per white swing calculation and made a few fixes. It was hard to simulate and get the numbers without it because if you generate too much rage, the program just spends it on Heroic Strikes so it balances out. I also upp'd it to 100k events to get more repeatable values and took out the array print of course.

http://www.gloryguildsite.com/rage.php

At 714 AP, you generate 6.4 rage per swing. At 1014 AP you generate 6.9 rage per swing. I'm not saying stacking Strength/AP isn't a good strategy for heroics, but that the rage gains from Strength/AP don't scale particularly well.



I made a few miscellaneous fixes:

I think you have a mistake on the miss rates, should be:

case 73: $bossavoid=9.0*4; break;
case 72: $bossavoid=6.0*4; break;
case 71: $bossavoid=5.5*4; break;
case 70: $bossavoid=5.0*4; break;

based off the latest EJ testing.

Heroic Strike costs 1 too many rage and has the wrong base threat:

$attacks['hero']['basethreat']=220;
$attacks['Heroic Strike']['cost']=12;

Although, I never play without a 9 rage HS, so that is what I made mine :-)

Shield Slam has the wrong base threat:

$attacks['ss']['basethreat']=307;

And the Devastate Threat is displaying the auto attack threat

print "<h4>Devastate Threat: ".$attacks['deva']['totthreat']...




I like your simulator, and If I find some time I might add adjustable boss armor, dodge and parry along with Expertise calcs for 2.3 :-)

thugthedum
10-19-2007, 01:41 PM
really glad you did that. i had it to a point where i couldn't tell if it was worth more effort, or where more effort would be warranted.

i used to put 2 points in heroic strike, hence the heroic "miscalculation". everything else is likely to be programmer error. thanks a million for the qa, and really glad another MT / PHP type is looking at it with me.

thugthedum
10-19-2007, 02:19 PM
One of the other next steps I think is warranted is to factor parry, dodge, miss, block, crit and crush properly. As you can see in the code, the makings of a proper combat table are in there. All I have to do is expand it.

Could you publish your changes, by the way?

Email my yahoo account if you want, thugthedum@yahoo.ca

Berginyon
10-19-2007, 09:17 PM
If we can get a few more realistic stats in there based off current theory crafting: dodge, variable boss armor, variable boss parry, expertise, crushing/glancing blows and then put a few spec choices in there and it would be a pretty solid simulator. Post it to EJ and see if we can get a few more active people on it. Maybe submit it to sourceforge?

steadymobn
10-20-2007, 04:50 PM
what about the lower city rep ring? before it was feral and dagger combat skill it now has 20 expertise rating, and it has stam and agi, would that be a decent tank ring?

and as of now i have 130 badges

current

devilshark, timewardens, bracers of courage...


would it be best to get the new badge leggings and cloak

OR

badge belt, cloak, and bracers with expertise on them?

Rozgreez
10-22-2007, 01:18 PM
Now i finally have something to dump my hundreds of heroic badges on. TY berg for making it so easy for me to find upgrades.

MrChumble
10-26-2007, 09:23 AM
Hi,

Great information, thanks for taking the time to put this together.

You've stated a couple of times that:


Back-to-Back boss parries along with a special attack are those rare events that instantly kill you and you are left wondering WTF?

Could you expand on that? I don't really see the connection between a boss parrying my attacks and the boss doing a high damage attack. I guess I'm missing something :(

Berginyon
10-26-2007, 03:43 PM
A boss has a swing timer just like you do and a cooldown on special moves. Take for instance Magtheridon. He has a big 9-11k cleave and can hit for 5k. Just like you landing an instant slield slam attack and white damage swing at the same time, he can hit+cleave when the timers line up.

He has a fairly slow swing timer, I'd say 2-3 seconds in-between normal hits. When he parries your strike, you trigger his swing timer immediately instead of waiting 2-3 seconds. If you parry 2-3 hits in a row at the same time his cleave lights you up, you are taking alot of burst damage in a short period of time.

Let's say Mag's parry rate is 10%, which according to most WWS logs, it appears to be in that ballpark. The probability of 2 parries in a row is 1%, 3 parries is .1%, but Mag is going to take 100+ swings so given enough time it's likely to happen. If you have 23 Expertise so that you cap out dodge, you would reduce Mag's parry rate by -5.75. That means his chance to get 2 parries is .33%, and 3 parries is .02%.

MrChumble
10-26-2007, 05:33 PM
Thanks for the reply. I've been tanking for ages, but until today I didn't even know that parries reduced weap swing time :o

Fame
10-27-2007, 07:35 AM
Patch 2.3: BOOOOO! they discontinued the Gladiator's Shield Wall for season 3.



Not quite bud, they just recently added it in.

Vengeful Gladiator's Shield Wall
6132 AC
167 Block
55 Stam
31 Resil

http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/s3/shield_wall.jpg

Berginyon
10-30-2007, 12:41 PM
Added the Shield Wall

cubes
11-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Great work Sir Berginyon.

Salvaticus
11-12-2007, 01:02 AM
I see you added the Season 3 Shield; are you going to be adding the rest of the Season 3 Arena gear to your list?

Grognash
11-12-2007, 07:13 AM
Would there be an EH stat on a per-gear basis in the future? just like the tankpoint stats?

Berginyon
11-12-2007, 07:41 AM
It takes alot of time to maintain this list, and without the tankpoints mod to help with the calcs, it would be too much. If someone else would like to go through an calculate the values, I would add them to the list.

I prefer a measurement such as tankpoints because it favors balance and making choices based off this value gives you overall better gear. As long as you go with the highest tankpoints items and always gem/enchant for EH, you never really have to worry about it.

Trammel
11-13-2007, 07:33 AM
I was checking your list for Glove Reinforcements and it was not listed. This is something new in 2.3 and was wondering if it is worthy of being listed for glove enchant.

Awsome job Berg, keep up the good work. I tell my warrior friend about this site all the time. That's if their serious about being a tank;)

HarounZehra
11-15-2007, 09:53 AM
Use: Permanently increase the armor on a pair of gloves by 240. Only useable on items level 60 and above.
18x Heavy Knothide Leather
14x Primal Earth
1x Rune Thread

I think I'd take a 4g Heavy Clefthide Armor Kit (+10 sta) over this any day.

Ciderhelm
11-16-2007, 08:20 AM
Per my PM, I did an overhaul on the itemstats system and resaved your work. 2.3 items are all functional now. :)

algernon
11-19-2007, 01:46 PM
Minor point. On the leggings list, shouldn't Felsteel Leggings be higher up - tankpoints around 10k, but down at 15th or so with the 8k gear at the moment.

greyday
11-19-2007, 05:00 PM
awesome work! thanks.

sombi
11-20-2007, 02:22 PM
Hiho ,
very n1 guide!
Some mistakes that i found .
Gauntlets - 7. wrong wowhead
Head - 6 not with Badges , ZulAman drop

Berginyon
11-21-2007, 08:04 AM
I made the fixes, thanks for pointing them out.

Bulldoze
11-23-2007, 09:49 AM
Would be cool if the new +10 sta LW patches be included along the gear enchants they can be used on (Chest, Legs, Gloves, Head and Boots I think).

Also, I see you have linked some "of the Monkey" and "of the Champion" kind-of gear in the Range Weapons section, but I don't see any kind of those elsewhere. I have a couple "of the Champion" items lvl 69-70 (shoulders and ring) that, in my view, offer some good stats and it would be nice to see where they rank among your list with the other items.

Thanks for reading me.

Ranx
11-24-2007, 08:25 PM
Thank you for a great gear guide berg. It has helped me alot

mlich
11-26-2007, 01:32 PM
Hey, thanks for this awesome guide.
I just noticed with patch 2.3 the Shapeshifter's Signet (Shapeshifter's Signet - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30834#comments)) has been changed to include expertise.
I thought this should be listed.
Thanks

Valdinar
11-26-2007, 04:29 PM
First off, let me say thank you very much for building this list Berg, it's been an amazing help to me. Couple things I noticed that I wanted to point out:

1. When socketed with a solid star, Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx have 8 defense, 69 armor, and 22 expertise over Vambraces of Courage, which provide only 33 block value in comparison. Is the block value really that much greater? May be a miscalc there.

2. Along the same lines the Brooch of Deftness seems far far below what it should be on the neck pieces. This item also has expertise.

Could it be that tank points does not account for expertise at this time? Should this be addressed since expertise is coming out as one of the premier stats to consider for high end tank gearing?

Thanks and keep up the great work, <3 the guide!

Vald

Berginyon
11-27-2007, 08:05 AM
Expertise is not really a damage reduction skill even though it reduces parries. Tankpoints has no concept of time so you'll still take the same amount of damage, just with fewer parries it would take longer.

Aggro is not weighted in on tankpoints because balancing between survivability and aggro is completely situational. The 2 expertise items are worth wearing in all situations even through BT except a fight where aggro doesn't matter, but even then you aren't sacrificing much by wearing them.

Valdinar
11-28-2007, 11:18 AM
Gotcha, thanks for the explanation.

OldHarry
12-03-2007, 07:38 AM
8. [Felsteel Leggings] 39STA+ TP:10256(8309 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (crafted)
* 3 gem slots, set bonus for blacksmith

9. [Timewarden's Leggings] 57STA+ TP:10054(8107 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (Keepers of Time Revered)
* 3 gem slots


I'm almost positive this order was switched recently. Berg, can you please explain how this changed? I could have sworn that Felsteel were something to be bought at 70 until the Timewarden's could be obtained and I don't remember Felsteel out-tankpointing the Timewardens.

Lilie
12-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Berg! Unbelievable work. This has been invaluable.

You guys might know this, but there's something weird going on with the formating on this list atm (background issue). Thought i'd just try to point it out.

Zexro
12-03-2007, 03:03 PM
Damn I guess there's no real easy way to get Tankpoints to look at spell damage items (Crystalforged Sword, Arena caster maces, Gruul Sword, ZA Eagle boss mace, etc.), since this is a predominantly warrior chat (maybe just a side list on the thread? :D:D).

I keeed I keeed. :cool: You do enough work just updating this list as it is. AWESOME guide btw. I'm gearing my pally tank to the T with this list. Love that you have some prot pally stuff in there too. Keep up the super awesome job!

DeeWood
12-03-2007, 06:58 PM
Wow this is great, I love it thank you so much, I was working on putting on of these together you saved me tons of time. You win good sir.

Berginyon
12-05-2007, 07:35 AM
Old Harry: It is because I changed the baseline to a full Kara/T4 gear set, see http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/gear-lists-rankings/32083-berg-s-tank-gear-rankings-11-16-2007-wow-2-3-a-5.html#post46340

Lilie: I can't see anything wrong, but Cider likes to reformat every week :-)

Zexro: Every so often I get the desire to add some kind of threat valuation to tankpoints, but then real life stuff squashes that. P.S. I wear the pally belt from SSC, love the EH and shield block over Moroe's belt.

Optikal
12-05-2007, 11:12 AM
Is there a way for anybody to recalculate the tankpoints rating you use here if we don't own the same set of baseline gear you used?

The reason being is that I maintain my own gear database (in MS Access, used by myself and my guildies) and I tossed all your tankpoint ratings in there, but there is a bunch of other gear in there that you don't have rated (not really tanking-focused gear) that I would like to assign tankpoint ratings to such that the tankpoints are directly comparable to the tankpoint ratings you have provided.

OldHarry
12-05-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks Berg. I keep forgetting that because Armor and Stamina scale differently (and as a function of one another) that the rankings will change based on how much helath/armor one has.

I think what I hear you saying is that tankpoints add on will calculate this for you on the fly. In other words, put on my gear, then go to my bags and mouse over my other gear. If it's a positive number showing on the tankpoints of the gear in my bag, then equip that gear instead.

As I get different gear, depending on the health and armor differences, gear that previously showed LESS tankpoints in my bag, may now show MORE tankpoints than previously.

lellefot
12-06-2007, 05:36 AM
First let me express my sincerest gratitude for the work you have put into this list and explain that it has helped me numerous times in choosing gear.

I only have one small comment and that is that maybe the arena thrown weapons should be included, since they are easily obtainable and by season 3 has started to rack up some impressive stats.

For instance
Vengeful Gladiator's War Edge - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33765)

Ranx
12-10-2007, 04:54 PM
About the gloves:

I find myself using the maiden gloves over the t4 gloves (both enchanted with +2% and the maiden gloves gemmed with +12 stam x 2).

Am i wrong in doing this ?? And what about the 2.3 tank badge gloves should i get those instead? i alrdy got all the other new badge items (tank related) i am very happy with the legs ;)

steadymobn
12-10-2007, 05:01 PM
About the gloves:

I find myself using the maiden gloves over the t4 gloves (both enchanted with +2% and the maiden gloves gemmed with +12 stam x 2).

Am i wrong in doing this ?? And what about the 2.3 tank badge gloves should i get those instead? i alrdy got all the other new badge items (tank related) i am very happy with the legs ;)


the gloves are the next thing i am going to get,, come on, its 12 more stam than the maiden gloves, might lose defense, but if your over 490, oh well.... has alot of hit, thats great...

Stabum
12-11-2007, 07:37 PM
A table of contents for this would be great, I always come here to look for rings or something and have a hard time finding them. If you put on the first page kinda in the intro something like

pants bottom page 2
Gloves middle page 3
Boots top page 4


in order of course it would make things a lot easier.

This list is great by the way, I constantly refer to it.

Zikomo
12-13-2007, 09:30 AM
So why isn't Heartrazor listed? Our dagger rogue has been working a 2nd job during the holiday season so last night we only had 1 rogue in raid who's sword spec. I minimum bid on it just because I always do to save stuff from being sharded. Anyway our sword rogue bid too (and won) but then he changed his mind and passed. After like 5 minutes of "Are you sure, you're sure" in vent I picked it up.

Anyway the +20 Agi makes it intriguing since it adds 40AC and I think (please correct my math if I'm wrong) 0.66% dodge. While it still has 30 stamina. I believe that the net avoidance (16 defense, vs 20 agi) and EHP on Mallet of the Tides are better however this dagger is fairly close. My hunch is that the expertise on the mace tips everything in it's favor, but I don't know how much additional threat would be generated by the proc on the dagger and the critical strike provided by +Agi.

I'm in no way shape or form advocating that tanks should bid on this dagger! But if it's about to get sharded it may be worthwhile in the hands of a tank.

veneretio
12-13-2007, 12:52 PM
An important distinction should be made in this guide regarding the following:

"+Block increases the amount of damage reduced during a shield block and the +Block value is added onto Shield Slam damage so it is also an aggro stat. Shield Slam is one of the few moves that scale with gear, so stacking +Block is important. Personally, I keep all gear with +Block just so I have a set of gear that can put out some ridiculous shield slam crits."

Block Rating increases the chance of a block to occur.
Block Value increases how much damage a block absorbs as well as Shield Slam Damage.

Also:

"Aggro generating stats:

1.) Expertise
2.) Hit
3.) Agility
4.) Strength
5.) Crit"

Should include Block Value as well. (likely between Agility and Hit)

Tedward
12-29-2007, 12:46 AM
I picked up the brooch of the immortal king off terokk today, and was going to use it to replace the adamantite figurine i've been toting around just in case i need the defense. I came on here to see how it ranked, and noticed that it isn't on the list. How do you feel about this particular trinket? In my opinion it looks like the best blue defense trinket, but how does tank points feel about that use versus the adamantite figurine's?

Brooch of the Immortal King - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32534)

Ranx
01-05-2008, 06:08 PM
Am i the only one that can't find "chestguard of the warlord" on the list ?? it just dropped for me in za today. i would like to see how it compares with my old t4 chest in ur rankings

Berginyon
01-09-2008, 09:23 AM
* Spinesever was nerfed. I'm glad I didn't pay the thousands it was going for. It sucks that Blizzard can just nerf something like that when someone might spend lots of gold (the equivilent of hundreds of RL dollars on something).

* Added the Arena ranged weapon and Heartrazor

* Somehow I completely fumbled the points on Praetorian's Legguards. I actually had them listed below Wrynn's, and didn't notice until I actually picked them up myself and saw a massive upgrade over T5. You people are supposed to tell me these things.

* added some clarification on Block, and went with Venny's suggestions.

Kavtor
01-09-2008, 10:07 AM
Shapeshifter's Signet is a really solid threat ring. It's a pretty decent mitigation ring as well.

Ciderhelm
01-14-2008, 12:29 AM
In before 200,000 views.

jlafleur
01-17-2008, 08:36 AM
great guide. got a question. You list felsteel legs above timewarden's leggings but state that you should replace felsteel legs with them.

"Entry-level raiding: Putting 3 stam gems in Timewarden's leggings will get you the top stamina piece for that tier. Felsteel is a great starter item until you have Timewarden's. "

Berginyon
01-17-2008, 10:55 AM
The baseline I used is full Kara/T4. When you are at the point of deciding between the 2 legs, stamina has more value then it does when you are all epic. The rankings will change slightly as your other gear gets better.

Radhja
01-17-2008, 01:51 PM
Wow. You just saved me DAYS of Armory lag by doing this. Many many thanks.

(Just wondering... is this a comprehensive Tank gear guide, or just for Prot Warriors? I have a Paly friend I'm wanting to gear up to be my OT, but I know little-to-nothing about paly tanking)

Thanks!!!

Kazeyonoma
01-17-2008, 02:10 PM
Berg's stated its mostly for warriors, but some pieces of pally gear might creep up in here or there due to their usefulness, it'd simply be too daunting a task to include both pally and warrior gear though. If you want to follow Berg's format and make a comprehensive list of pally gear that'd be great! but keep in mind... no one is as crazy as Berg with this stuff =P

Ciderhelm
01-21-2008, 09:59 AM
I approved all the linkbacks to increase your Google return on this. You'll see a lot of the places where people are visiting from as well. If it's too distracting I'll remove them.

Thist
01-22-2008, 04:13 PM
Please can you add the Executioner enchant and how you rank it, plus how you rate tier set bonuses.

Grabmill
01-23-2008, 03:55 AM
It has been said before, but I want to emphasize on it again: Shapeshifter's Signet should be listed in the threat rings list. Maybe even in the normal tank rings list, although, as said before, Expertise isn't being given any points atm.

Furthermore a small typo in Bulwark of the Ancient Kings (you forgot "the"), so the link doesn't work.

Berginyon
01-23-2008, 02:55 PM
I added Shapeshifter's Signet and fixed the Bulwark link.

Executioner is armor penetration and has no Tank Points. It's fine for an aggro weapon but it's unlisted just like +Strength. Tier bonuses are hard to judge, you would need proc rates and many have situational conditions to them.

Yurend
01-24-2008, 09:22 AM
Thank you for all the work you have put in, and obviously continue to do on this project.
I am very happy to see a balanced point of view, and will definitely be downloading the Tankpoints mod very soon.
I have generally been gearing and geming more for avoidance, but am getting to a point where I know I will need a bit more EH. I will be using Tankpoints and this guide to help me along.
Thanks again, and I'll be checking back for updates. :)

Ciderhelm
01-28-2008, 11:45 AM
Apologies for those who were checking this thread with broken itemlinks this morning, it was an unintended result of forum software upgrades. Kazey and I have fixed the links.

Peegee
01-31-2008, 08:27 AM
Romulo's Poison Vial - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft (http://www.wowwiki.com/Romulo%27s_Poison_Vial)

Where does this rank in that list?

Kazeyonoma
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Its not a bad threat tool definitely, but as this rating system is based on Tankpoints, that has little to no tankpoints and wouldn't qualify. It does deserve honorable mention though for more hit if you already meet EH minimums for a fight.

alanu01
02-01-2008, 08:46 AM
How about Ironsole Clompers?
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=24064)
I know these are lvl 60, but when gemmed properly(I know mine aren't, but that will be fixed in the future), I fell that they are better than the flest beast's metal greaves.

Berginyon
02-10-2008, 12:03 AM
Updated with a preview of some of the latest PTR 2.4 info.

catch22atplay
02-20-2008, 03:59 AM
[Eternal Earthstorm Diamond] (12Def, 10&#37;Block) TP:2423 *best crafted meta*

This is now the one and only tanking meta gem. On my baseline gear the +10% to block value gives 1428 TP, but on my current gearset of T5/BT gear it gives 2088. YES, finally an item that scales with the quality of your gear! +10% Block Value increases both mitigation and aggro, and I assume this will stack with Shield Mastery multicatively for a total 43% bonus.
No Berg multiplicative so it would be a total of 37%. So basically the gem is a 7% increase in our block value. Not 13% increase like you listed. I know it's confusing as hell. But that's the way it is.

37% total not 43% total

Grabmill
02-20-2008, 06:02 AM
If it's 10% extra of the Base Block Value, you would gain:

X = current block value
1.3*X = BV including talents

0.1*X = gain through the gem
Which totals to 1.4*X.
1.4/1.3 = 1.077

That's how catch22atplay came to 7% I guess (although it's a bit more than 7%).

If it would be really multiplicative, you would end up with 1.1*1.3*X = 1.43*X.
In that case it would still not be a 13% increase, but a 10% increase, as 1.43/1.3 = 1.1.

Berginyon
02-20-2008, 08:21 AM
So wait, catch22 are you saying that the value is not multiplicative on the PTR? Or are you disputing my math? Can anyone else confirm the behavior of the meta from the PTR or has it not dropped?

Correct me if I am wrong on the math, but if it was a summative bonus such as crit or hit, base * (130% + 110%) = base * 140%. If it was a multiplicative bonus like with threat, base * 130% * 110%)= base * 143%

Catch22 you are calculating the % increase in block value against the shield mastery buffed value assuming a summative bonus.

Egnever
02-20-2008, 05:04 PM
Thanks for making such a brilliant thread for all of us to learn from, very interesting to read! :)

I'm not very old in the game of tanking, so I was wondering. I know you're ranking expertise as aggrostat no1, but I still have to ask (amount vs amount, so to speak).

Up until tonight I had Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx with a +12 stamina enchant on, but during today's Kara Vambraces of Courage dropped for me. I was wondering if Vambraces of Courage with a +12 str enchant and a aggrogem would produce more aggro than my current bracers?

I don't know which gem produces most aggro either, but I have access to all the normal blue ones (+8 hit, +8 parry, +8 str, etc, etc). In advance, thanks for any answers! :)

Maybe I should re-enchant my Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx with +12 str for aggro/heroics gear and gem/enchant Vambraces of Courage for progresstanking?

Or maybe just vendor Vambraces... ? Confused... :o

catch22atplay
02-21-2008, 03:26 AM
So wait, catch22 are you saying that the value is not multiplicative on the PTR? Or are you disputing my math? Can anyone else confirm the behavior of the meta from the PTR or has it not dropped?

Correct me if I am wrong on the math, but if it was a summative bonus such as crit or hit, base * (130&#37; + 110%) = base * 140%. If it was a multiplicative bonus like with threat, base * 130% * 110%)= base * 143%

Catch22 you are calculating the % increase in block value against the shield mastery buffed value assuming a summative bonus.
Yes i dispute your math as being flawed. Here's an example of how you are currently doing it. Let's say i do 1,000 damage a swing but i have a talent that increases it by 50%. This would do 150% damage so 1,500. Not let's say i have an item that procs to increase my damage by another 50%. By your math you'd do 225% damage so 2,250. With additive it would be 200% so 2,000 damage. By blizzards muliplicative way of doing it it's supposed to do 175% damage so 1,750.

They calculate it like this and forgive the math here as it's bothersome. When figuring the math let's say it's threat reduction as blizzard shows in thier 1.12 patch notes.
Previously, some were additive (for example: 30% reduction + 20% reduction = 50% reduction) while others were multiplicative 30% reduction and 20% reduction made 44% reduction, from 0.7*0.8 They are now all multiplicative.This also prevents unpredictable behavior when the total reduction percentage was equal to or greater than 100%. Please note that in almost all cases, when stacking multiple threat reduction effects you will experience less threat reduction than previously.
So notice it was additive but now it's muliplicative for everything. Also that this is incorporated into haste effects and also adding up stamina bonuses such as my racial taurnen stamina bonus on top of my tanking talent. Also notice a 20% and 30% reduction they used the math 0.8*0.7 This equals .56. So how did they get 44%? 1.56=156% that don't work. 100*.56=56% hmm wrong again. 1-.56=.44=44%. AH bingo that worked.

So with our baseline of 100% then add 30% from talents then add 10% for the enchant we do the math. .7*.9=.63 so 1-.63=.37. Total is 137%

BTW Berg this also applies to say 2% threat enchant. We don't actually get 2% from it. More like 1.2% at a quick guess here. Just a FYI

catch22atplay
02-21-2008, 03:30 AM
If it was a multiplicative bonus like with threat, base * 130&#37; * 110%)= base * 143%

This is probably why threat meters are inaccurate. It's not 143% threat as of patch 1.12 It's 137% threat as per your example. I know i know nobody tells people theese things. lol

BTW love this equipment list. I disagree with a few items and most especially weapons. But without a doudt this is the best place for tanking gear. Great guide dude. I have it on my favorites.

catch22atplay
02-21-2008, 04:14 AM
Did the math on threat. 30&#37; for def stance. Add 15% for 3 points into anticipation. .7*.85=.595 1-.595=.405% so 140.5% Now for +2% threat. .7*.85*.98=.5831 1-.5831=.4169 so 141.69%. Difference of adding +2% threat was 141.69-140.5=1.19 or if you like 1.19% for easy comparisons.

BTW i think they round off too. So def stance and 3/3 anticipations would be 141% and with +2% threat it would be 142%. Hmm doesn't 2% threat really look like crap now since it's only really a 1% increase assuming the rounding. Best case 1.19% increase. Worse case 1.00% increase. +2% threat is not looking so good to me. No wonder i prefer 15 agility.

God hope this math is right or i'm wasting my time. Fairly sure it is. But /shrug

Berginyon
02-21-2008, 12:12 PM
So with our baseline of 100% then add 30% from talents then add 10% for the enchant we do the math. .7*.9=.63 so 1-.63=.37. Total is 137%



The example they gave in the patch notes was a reduction. The values they are multiplying are under 1. This is still basic math and I completely understand how they got 43%. There is no special formula.

Their example is 30% threat reduction stacked multiplicative with 20% threat reduction. This means that 70% of your threat will get through, then of that value only 80% of that threat will get through for a total of 56% of your threat getting through.

With a multiplicative bonus (over 100%) you are getting 130% of your base value and then you get 110% of that value for a total of 143%.

Berginyon
02-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Thanks for making such a brilliant thread for all of us to learn from, very interesting to read! :)

I'm not very old in the game of tanking, so I was wondering. I know you're ranking expertise as aggrostat no1, but I still have to ask (amount vs amount, so to speak).

Up until tonight I had Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx with a +12 stamina enchant on, but during today's Kara Vambraces of Courage dropped for me. I was wondering if Vambraces of Courage with a +12 str enchant and a aggrogem would produce more aggro than my current bracers?

I don't know which gem produces most aggro either, but I have access to all the normal blue ones (+8 hit, +8 parry, +8 str, etc, etc). In advance, thanks for any answers! :)

Maybe I should re-enchant my Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx with +12 str for aggro/heroics gear and gem/enchant Vambraces of Courage for progresstanking?

Or maybe just vendor Vambraces... ? Confused... :o

Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx will do more aggro. 5 Expertise is 2.5% increase to threat and the block value and a hit gem will not come close. Keep them enchanted with stam and you will likely never need another pair of bracers.

catch22atplay
02-22-2008, 10:12 AM
Berg you know about the only thing i know for sure is that Blizzard uses wacky math. I'm betting neither of us is right. Take Last stand for instance. It's supposed to be a 30% increase in health yet i just checked it on my toon and it's actually 31.49%. Tauren here so you may get different results. I think like you said earlier we need to actually test that block value enchant and see what it really does. I'd be extremely happy if your math proves correct. I'm hoping you're right. :)

Berginyon
02-22-2008, 11:00 AM
Added the new cloak and ring. Removed the DPS Onslaught pieces, without Stam they don't make the list.

buah
02-24-2008, 04:11 AM
hey. great list.

could you add the new tank goggles as well?
Hard Khorium Goggles - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34357)

thanks

Psysica
02-27-2008, 04:34 AM
To start off, great work Berg. Really some interesting reading. Well, not many that arent on this page.

I just came across this in the list :

16. [Band of the Eternal Champion] (DPS Exaulted & Revered) 43STA TP:4052
The World of Warcraft Armory
* proc

In the tank ring list. I'm not sure if thats an error or im just lost there DPS. What is that short of ? As I know they are rep rewards from Scale of the Sands, right ?
Or is I'm totally off here ?

Once again tnx for a great post.

Grabmill
02-27-2008, 06:09 AM
Hey Berg,

I had a look at your Tank-Point-scores and there are some serious flaws in it. It might be that you used different sets when calculating the scores for the different items.

Anyway, take a look at this:
Enchant Cloak - Major Armor (120 Armor) TP:472
Lesser Arcanum of Tenacity (125 armor) TP:456

How can an enchant with lower armor (and no other stats) have a higher score?

Berginyon
02-27-2008, 08:41 AM
Hard Khorium is in the list, its just not plum colored.

That is the DPS ring for Scale of the Sands. I'll label it better next time I edit.

I still have the exact same gearset for doing the tankpoint rankings. Sometimes while I have the old gear on a guildie will sneak Mark of the Wild or something on me and if I don't notice it, it can skew the numbers. Regardless I say ignore small differences in tankpoints do to the margin of error from 2.4 points of Defense Rating

Niss
02-28-2008, 08:53 AM
I know that the answer to this question lies with me getting a tankpoints mod, but could someone help me with why Destroyer Greathelm is so much higher than Battleworn Tuskguard ? I guess I can see the amount of avoidance is much greater, but the 51 block value and 170 more hp on the Tuskguard seem pretty comparable to me.

See my armory link below, we're basically at the end of t5 progression.

Berginyon
02-28-2008, 01:33 PM
Shield Block Rating has very little tankpoints value. I like shield block, good for aggro and I tend to prefer items that have +block on them, but it doesn't really have that much tankpoint value compared to a stack of avoidance.

What will make this decision easy in 2.4 is that the ZA helm does not have a meta, and the new meta kicks a lot of ass.

klipprand
02-28-2008, 02:06 PM
Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this. One thing that got overlooked I believe is the Heavy Knothide Armor Kit. Very inexpensive way to add 10 Stam to hands. Maybe not the best thing, but certainly worthwhile.

Lukazra
02-29-2008, 01:51 PM
Awesome list. I wanted to offer Strength of the Violet Tower It is a very easy quest item to pick up for initial defense gearing.

Striked
02-29-2008, 06:24 PM
I've been wondering about this for a long time but which cloak enchant is better, 120 armor or +12 agility?

Clifford
03-01-2008, 08:32 AM
I've been wondering about this for a long time but which cloak enchant is better, 120 armor or +12 agility?
For me - agility is significantly better.

Naka
03-06-2008, 05:49 AM
One thing I don't understand:

[Thick Dawnstone] (yellow +8 Defense) TP:594
+ [Solid Star of Elune] (blue, +12 STA) TP:649
----------------------------------------------
+8 Defense, +12 STA TP:1243


[Enduring Talasite] (green, +4 DEF, +6 STA) TP:523
+ [Enduring Talasite] (green, +4 DEF, +6 STA) TP:523
----------------------------------------------------
+8 Defense, +12 STA TP:1046


How's that?

Berginyon
03-06-2008, 07:41 AM
a rating point of Defense has 0 tankpoints, however if that 1 rating point gets you to go up 1 defense skill point then it has value. You only get a skill point for ever 2.4 rating, so its possible that 2 rating points award 0 tankpoints. I put in the disclaimer to put little value in point differences under 250 or so.

Naka
03-08-2008, 05:12 AM
I understand. Actually, I read the disclaimer some time ago when I read the whole post, just forgot about this one, when this "irregularity" caught my eye. Thanks for clearing this up again.

However, doesn't this make the whole gems-section pretty much useless, as the jewelcrafter-only gems are the only ones that have a TP-difference of more than 300 to others? Wouldn't it be more practical to just give 1/2.4 of the tankpoints per defense to every point of defense-rating?

nordee
03-10-2008, 10:32 AM
Very nice information, thank you very much.

The Gladiator's Shield Wall (Shield #8) is listed as costing 1,875 Arena points. Wowhead lists it as costing 15,000 Honor Points plus 10 EOTS marks.

I purchased these at the AH last night:

Warlord's Iron-Epaulets - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25028)

...of the Champion. With 827 armor, 22 STR, 33 STA, 22Def Rating I would think they would be included on the list of shoulders. Oversight, or am I missing something.

Thanks!

Esillymidget
03-14-2008, 12:28 AM
If you don't know already, the new badge loot has had it's armor values increased. Belt is now at 993, chest is at 1765, and the pants are at 1554.

Berginyon
03-14-2008, 06:35 AM
Yea its about time. I've been telling them armor is messed up on almost every piece they put out. I'll have time to update the rankings this weekend.

supergp17
03-15-2008, 02:29 PM
I got the Ethereum Torque of the Champion off of the AH the other day. Where would it rank on your necklaces list?

Stats:
16 str
23 stm
16 def rat

If this has already been posted, my apologies.

Thanks!

Macled
03-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Hi just reading this post sensational work there.

Just went through the 15 pages to see if anyone else has tried battlemaster enchant. I have had it on one of my weapons that I use for high TPS and was doing a few runs yesterday and noticed that when it procs would heal the group for 200-300 so 1000-1500 total, but the most important part was when it proc'd I would get about 5k threat on Omen.

I know you have stated that it doesnt proc enough to be usfull but I know with devistate some fights I will have it proc more then 5 times so an extra 25k threat.

Maybe since you have started this thread blizz have changed battlemaster to proc more often.

But just FYI hope its helpful Ill try and use it more often and see if it continues to work well.

rumbleman
03-15-2008, 05:31 PM
Hi Berg, i was wondering where a Thunderfury would be placed on your list of tank wepons. I thought perhaps the math might be a bit difficult to deal with due to calculating proc rates and such. I know a few of the end game tanks still use it for a threat wepon. I have been passing on the Mallet of the Tides because i'm not sure if it's actually much of an upgrade over my TF. Maybe i'm just clinging to the TF because its so damned cool looking :) I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the thunderfury and its viability.

Berginyon
03-16-2008, 08:14 AM
Esillymidget - Would you or anyone else for that matter happen to have a list of the new armor values? I'm not doing this PTR and the items sites don't seem to be updated.

supergp17 - You can get the tankpoints mod and check for yourself vs on of the ranked blues. I try not to list too many greens/blues "of something", makes the list too big and there is usually easily available items that are superior.

Macled - I haven't looked at it since BC first came out. Since no one uses it it is possible they buffed the proc. There are mods to keep track of the rate, does someone have a more recent measure?

rumbleman - Cider himself did some experimenting with it earlier in BC and it only did ok for multi-mob battles. King's Defender outclassed it in every other way (aside from looking cool standing in Shatt), so don't pass on the next Mallet.

rumbleman
03-16-2008, 08:55 AM
thanks a bunch, Berg. I guess it's time to retire an old friend.

Ciderhelm
03-16-2008, 08:56 AM
thanks a bunch, Berg. I guess it's time to retire an old friend.

whoa whoa whoa, don't do anything drastic

It's STILL good in aoe tanking situations like Hyjal! You still have an excuse to put it in screenshots! It's just not good everywhere else. :(

Moshzilla
03-16-2008, 05:06 PM
Berg, great list and thanks for keeping it updated.

Seeing as you do so, the Ironstriders of Urgency lists 22sta in the post but the mouseover displays it as 28sta.

Xriya
03-16-2008, 07:05 PM
I believe it was 1765 for the BP and 1544 for the leggings
Xriya

TheIceMan
03-17-2008, 05:37 AM
Hi, maybe i missed something but i think Crown of Dath'Remar - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34400#comments)

is missing

Berginyon
03-19-2008, 08:11 AM
* updated all the armor values of the 2.4 items
* fixed various reported errata
* Added Dath'Remar's helm
* Changed all helms to use the new meta, (non meta helms dropped in value)

Facepunch
03-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Hi, this is my first post here, so hopefully it isn't too lame. This guide has been a great help to me and I thank you for posting it!

One nitpicky thing I wanted to mention is that, in the aggro weapons section, you have the Cleaver of the Unforgiving as a 1.70 speed weapon.

I would also love to know how expertise racials affect an item's tank points. I was surprised that this weapon gave me more expertise as an orc than the Mallet of the Tides with a nice hit rating to boot.

Thanks again.

Starbuck
03-20-2008, 06:57 AM
Any reason Honor's Call is not listed as an aggro weapon? Same speed as the PvP weapons but more dps.

*$

JoeBlack
03-20-2008, 07:33 AM
7. Bonefist Gauntlets51STA+ +1.3&#37;hit TP:9323(8025 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (60 badges)
* 2 gem slots

A guildmate of mine says that if you use a 5 parry / 6 stamina gem for the red socket instead of a 12 stamina one, you end up with more tankpoints than the T4 gloves.

I don't think its possible for 5parry to be almost 1000 TP better than 2 stamina, so I'm guessing there is a discrepancy between the versions of tankpoints used. He updated it from Wowace about 5 days ago.

I see you updated this thread in the last 24 hours, but when was the last time you updated your tank points mod? Sure it is not your error but am very curious why we are getting different results here...

tehgreen
03-20-2008, 08:08 AM
I'm the person that joe was talking about I'll put my gear here (all numbers over an empty slot, tank points mod from wowace)

Warbringer Handguards with +15 agi on them. +3008 tank points, +1572 EH

Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden with +8 frost, 2 x +12 stam gems. +2682 tank points, +2044 EH

(the enchant I've got on these throws this out)

Bonefist Gauntlets with + 15 agi, +12 stam gem and +5 parry + 6 stam gem ( which gets the +4 stam socket bonus). + 3280 tank points, + 2352 EH

The mod I'm using is evidently slightly differn't to Berg's ratings, I had just assumed they where the same.

This post Badge of Justice Tanking Pick Order - Warrior - TankingTips.com (http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/30/23-update-the-new-badge-of-justice-pick-order/) rates bonefist above the others, I agree.

Hope that clears things up joe.

oneeye
03-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Can you please add the Guardian's Alchemist Stone to the list of trinkets?

Berginyon
03-20-2008, 07:42 PM
As I've said before, all the points I list here are based off a baseline gear set made entirely of Kara and T4 level epics with suitable enchants/gems. Tankpoints have increasing returns as you stack more damage reduction, so if your own gear is significantly better, all the values will be greatly increased, but relative to each other will mostly stay the same % wise. My rankings will give a ballpark number that should be applicable to most tanks. If you have the mod yourself, go with what it tells you.

I use stam gems in all sockets because to calculate the optimal gem combo for each item would make the list unmanageable, and going all stam gems is common practice for EH gearing. Yes, a dodge/stam gem in that slot would be ideal.

tehgreen
03-21-2008, 04:15 AM
thxs for clearing that up berg :D

Zandroz
03-21-2008, 05:56 AM
Good Morning,
This is my first post here. I have to say, the list is terrific. I've been using it as a basic guideline to gauge what gear to use or go after.
I have a couple questions, non of which I hope sound critical. First, I have both the Jadeskull Breastplate and Breastplate of the Bold (and since I"m exalted with Aldo, have access to the vindicator Hauberk). Based on baseline stats, and such, I guess I'm a bit surprised the Jadeskull breastplate is listed so low. Compared to the other 2 listed, what would be the reason why? (i'm new to the whole tanking points thing, even though I use the mod). Our guilds progression is not up to Nightbane just yet, but we're getting there. Second, when I click on some of the links from the first page, it does not take me to that area. I'm using Firefox 3 at the office and Firefox 2 at home. It seems to happen with both.

Thanks again for an invaluable guide/list.

Zan

Berginyon
03-21-2008, 06:20 AM
All 3 are perfectly fine for tanking Nightbane in. There is a point in initial gearing where stamina is more valuable than damage reduction. The baseline I use is past that point and to where avoidance awards more points than anything. You can always download the mod yourself and get numbers more applicable to the rest of your gear.

I'll fix the links.

Starbuck
03-22-2008, 01:39 AM
Any reason Honor's Call is not listed as an aggro weapon? Same speed as the PvP weapons but more dps.

*$

Dunno if this tiny post got missed, so I try once more.
Reason I'm asking is I need an aggro weapon and it's either grinding BM for Latro's shifting sword or grinding HH rep for Honor's Call. Just want to make sure which one to get.

*$

DrPleaser
03-22-2008, 03:36 AM
Any comments on this?

(2nd equip line)

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7382/swornnewpo7.jpg

Imagine my utter, utter shock (and delight) when I saw it.

Berginyon
03-22-2008, 08:15 PM
40 block rating becomes 40 defense rating. That would definately add value. Wonder why they stealth changed it?

Naka
03-23-2008, 08:08 AM
The Tuskguard drops from Malacrass in Zul'Aman, no badges.

Strange, if they just changed the helm to defense and leave all the other ZA items with block rating. Well, maybe to compensate the missing meta slot.

Damn, that would have been awesome... a helm with 51 BV AND the new meta gem.

DrPleaser
03-25-2008, 12:37 PM
The +40 def on the battleworn tuskguard has hit live!!!

My tankpoints mod is giving it a 3000 pt bonus over my faceguard of endless watch!

Grabmill
03-26-2008, 06:04 AM
Bah, this helmet change is teh suck. The ZA helmet was great for a passive crush set. Now it's utterly useless.

TomHuxley
03-26-2008, 07:44 AM
Reason I'm asking is I need an aggro weapon and it's either grinding BM for Latro's shifting sword or grinding HH rep for Honor's Call. Just want to make sure which one to get.

Looks to me like Honor's Call is a bit on the slow side for an agro weapon, although it wouldn't be horrible. If you can get Latro's shifting sword I'd go for it.

BTW, last time I ran BM it dropped, and I needed it, but a hunter from my guild (who had been discussing the other drop when I announced I needed it) wrote "that attack power would be nice, although the expertise does nothing for me, I guess if no one else needs it I'll take it" and clicked before I could say something. Outrolled me 27 to 15. He didn't do it on purpose (and apologized) but I'm still irked deep down inside...

Kininye
03-27-2008, 07:02 AM
It sucks that it feels like extra work, but could someone change the font color for the latest 2.4 changes in the list? That light pink isn't working too well with the new light background :(.

Ceravantes
03-27-2008, 07:04 AM
Its in the works, just be patient.

Shaiden
03-27-2008, 10:58 AM
=/

In regards to the ZA helmet changes:
Just on the hierarchy of things, don't they generally list defense "first"?

Could this just be a bug?

oneeye
03-27-2008, 02:44 PM
Can you please add the Guardian's Alchemist Stone to the list of trinkets?

reposted in case you missed it

Zexro
03-27-2008, 05:11 PM
Add [Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian] if possible? :) The new Badge pally boots.

Ciderhelm
03-27-2008, 05:29 PM
Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian

buah
03-28-2008, 09:48 AM
the Hard Khorium Goggles were fixed in the patch..

1611 armor

Hard Khorium Goggles - Items - WOWDB (http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=34357)

catch22atplay
03-28-2008, 01:38 PM
Pattern enchant cloack Steelweave needs to be added.
Formula: Enchant Cloak - Steelweave - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35756)

catch22atplay
03-28-2008, 01:56 PM
Bah, this helmet change is teh suck. The ZA helmet was great for a passive crush set. Now it's utterly useless.
I agree i liked it the way it was. But i don't use it anyways. It's still a damn good helm though. T-5 for me :)

Does need to be updated by Berg. *hint*

catch22atplay
03-28-2008, 02:03 PM
Interestingly i was using 12 dodge rating to cloak. Ran tank point mod and it showed the new 12 defense rating to cloak beating 12 dodge rating. I did the new enchant and lost 50 tank points. Did they do a stealthy change to defense rating? Oh wait it's because i didn't get enough defense rating to get the next defense. Crap short 3-4 defense rating to make it better than 12 dodge rating. :(

Solowar
03-30-2008, 02:14 PM
With regards to Eternal Earthstorm Diamond, it's stacking additively with Shield Mastery talent for a factor of 1.4 (instead of multicatively for 1.43).

Before eternal earthstorm diamond:
On my character info sheet, block value of 354 (with strength contributing 10 block value) gives a total of 470 (354*1.3+10) block value.

After eternal earthstorm diamond:
On my character info sheet, block value of 354 (with strength contributing 10 block value) gives a total of 505 (354*1.4+10) block value.

It would have been 516 block value had the factor been multicatively (1.43) instead of addivitively (1.4).

catch22atplay
04-04-2008, 04:39 PM
With regards to Eternal Earthstorm Diamond, it's stacking additively with Shield Mastery talent for a factor of 1.4 (instead of multicatively for 1.43).

Before eternal earthstorm diamond:
On my character info sheet, block value of 354 (with strength contributing 10 block value) gives a total of 470 (354*1.3+10) block value.

After eternal earthstorm diamond:
On my character info sheet, block value of 354 (with strength contributing 10 block value) gives a total of 505 (354*1.4+10) block value.

It would have been 516 block value had the factor been multicatively (1.43) instead of addivitively (1.4).

So overall you got a 7.4468&#37; increase to total block value using the gem. Damn i should have read this before putting it in my helm. Very close to the 7% i said on page 12 sadly. I was wrong with my math too. You're right it is additive and i didn't even think about listing str for block seperately. Your math looks perfect. Now i'm kinda bummed. :(

How does this look for a Meta gem now Berg?

Sheol
04-07-2008, 10:35 AM
Is the Chestplate of Stoicism really rated as being better than the T6 chestpiece? I heard is was only a sidegrade to the one off Zul'jin. Can anyone confirm this so Im not so confuddled?

lowmotion
04-08-2008, 01:53 AM
Regal Nightseye - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35707) is missing...

lowmotion
04-08-2008, 02:34 AM
Onslaught Chestguard > Chestplate of Stoicism
More AC
More HP
More Avoidance (Parry + Dodge)
More Blockrating
1,x&#37; Critical Strike Rating vs 39 Blockvalue

+ Set Boni

T6 is far more better than Chestplate of Stoicism.

Kazeyonoma
04-08-2008, 09:22 AM
Onslaught Chestguard > Chestplate of Stoicism
More AC
More HP
More Avoidance (Parry + Dodge)
More Blockrating
1,x% Critical Strike Rating vs 39 Blockvalue

+ Set Boni

T6 is far more better than Chestplate of Stoicism.

Onslaught Chestguard versus Chestplate of Stoicism

I think if you're gonna make a claim, make sure it is true.

More AC is true, no doubt, but by how much? about 150 due to agility and straight armor

1899 vs. 1765 = 134 AC difference

More HP, hands down the t6 chest wins: 115 stam with 3x15stam gems versus the stoicism which only has: 93 stam

115-93 = 22 stam difference

More Avoidance:????? Wrong
T6: you gain 1.23 dodge from agi, 1.8768 miss/dodge/parry from defense, and 1.18 from parry rating: 1.23+1.8768+1.18 = 4.2868 total avoidance

Stoicism: you gain 2.5872 miss/dodge/parry from defense alone + 1.8 dodge from rating, that gives you 2.5872+1.8 = 4.3872 total avoidance

Stoicism wins this one.

SBV versus crit? SBV scales faster than crit does for a tanking warrior so Stoicism wins in that one too.

Block rating, unless gunning for passive uncrushability is somewhat a wasted stat, but to be thorough:
t6: 3.55% block where as stoic only gives .86 block

So stoicism is a better avoidance chest technically, but not by much!

KAOSFAYT
04-08-2008, 01:22 PM
thanks and gratz on your vast knowledge of tanking i recently downed Mag on my first 25 man raid with AOI this info is extremely helpful and usefull . FTW WOooootz

Wao
04-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Now that the [Chestplate of Stoicism] (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34939) has been nerfed to 1668 armor, I'd be curious to see where it fits in. I offer my apologies if this has been discussed already.

Berginyon
04-09-2008, 07:37 AM
It wasn't nerfed, wowhead is still listing the old value from the PTR before it was fixed.

snard
04-09-2008, 08:12 AM
What do you think of The Horseman's Helm as a Kara-level tanking piece? What it lacks in defense and block, it more than makes up in armor, stamina, strength, and gems slots.

Here are it's base stats:

1129 Armor
+40 Strength
+46 Stamina
3 Sockets
+30 Critical Strike

I have 3 +12 Stamina gems & +16 Defense / +17 Dodge enchantment on it, which brings it to:

1129 Armor
+40 Strength
+82 Stamina
+16 Defense
+17 Dodge
+30 Critical Strike

Tank
04-10-2008, 06:33 PM
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve]
Having 100Dodge for every 30-50sec for 10sec, this neck could have been under rated :D

And with lightning speed from mongoose stack, I gain almost 10&#37;dodge :)

Percyval
04-13-2008, 09:22 AM
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve]
Having 100Dodge for every 30-50sec for 10sec, this neck could have been under rated :D

And with lightning speed from mongoose stack, I gain almost 10&#37;dodge :)

I too have a question regarding this necklace. The list shows for Scryer Proc (+100 Expertise Rating), but I'm Aldor which will give me +100 Dodge Rating when Proc'ed. How will this necklace rank if dodge is taken into consideration?

Naka
04-13-2008, 04:06 PM
Berg, will there be another update for 2.4, adding the new enchants, revaluating the new meta and the necklace, and some comments on the new stuff?

If you want, I'd try to put some comments, in case you don't have the time.

connmen
04-15-2008, 08:05 AM
Berg - Awesome work here. I've been using your list as a reference point for quite some time.

Just want to re-iterate what an earlier poster asked in regard to your view on the Guardian's Alchemist Stone. It is an expensive item to craft but seems intriguing. Where would you place it on the trinkets list?

Thx.

catch22atplay
04-15-2008, 08:24 AM
I know it's hard to put tank points towards expertise. But it's a stat not just for aggro/threat. It's a great stat for not getting owned too. I currently run with 38 expertise (not expertise rating). The ring from lower city is a nice expertise item. But that Heroic MgT trinket with 44 expertise rating is godly imo. I'd suggest wearing that and the 57sta chance to dodge when below 35&#37; trinket as best choices. Raising expertise to lower a bosses chance to parry which is somewhere around 15-16% i find extrememly helpful. Before the arguments start, with 38 expertise (not expertise rating) i still get parried a ton.

Belkram
04-16-2008, 01:54 PM
Great information Berginyon!

I am new to Tankspot just found this site a few days agoa nd have been spending alot of time reading through all the articles.

One question I have for you on Chest Armor pieces:

These two items seem to me to be as good as a few of the Chest pieces you have listed.
1. Adamantite Breastplate - Crafted - Adamantite Breastplate - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23507)
2. Durotan's Battle Harness - Old Hillsbrad Foothills, Captain Skarloc - Durotan's Battle Harness - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27427)

Hope those links work

I could not find a place where I could use your formula to rate these two BPs. Could you possible rate them for me please. I am currently using the Durotan's BP (+9stam, 2- +6stam/+4Def sockets) and a friend has offered to make me the Adamantite BP but I was not sure if it was worth it.

Thanks for the help

Belkram

Scimoon
04-23-2008, 03:46 PM
Hey Berg, thanks for making this list.

One question: How do you calculate these TankPoints? Would love to use the scales you use, with the Pawn addon, for ingame comparisons.

Thanks
-Scimoon

Síhrtogg
04-24-2008, 03:52 AM
I think the Boar's Speed enchant on boots deserves at least a honorable mention. Giving up 3 stamina for the run speed increase is one of the best trade-offs I've ever made.

DrPleaser
04-24-2008, 08:07 PM
When can we get an fully updated one? I'm dying to know how the battleworn tuskguard rates now

Ciderhelm
04-24-2008, 08:11 PM
I don't want to speak for him too much, but Berg's been fairly busy with real life, so I'm not sure he'll be able to give any exact estimates for when he'll have an update.

Jotun
04-26-2008, 04:14 AM
Hmm Alot of this guide to me doesnt add up, alot of tanking gear is situational, and some of the items you have "ranked" higher than others I dont understand why/how.

After reading through the guide Alot of it is correct and I like how you state T5/T6 and Entry level but some of the choices and reasons why dont add up - like advising tanks to tank with a dagger entry level, lol.

Shortypop
04-26-2008, 01:14 PM
Like all gear rating systems this is not meant to be the "be all and end all" - making decision based purely on this list has never, as far as I'm aware been advised. However it is an invaluable source of comparing pieces, or what I use it for, deciding which drops are worth spending dkp on or badges. Which ones I am likely to keep for a while, for either threat or tank-sets and which might be replaced by a drop from the next boss we go for.

Plus it forces you to think outside the box, for example tanking with daggers!

hateseed
04-29-2008, 08:12 AM
First off, first time poster, long time fan. Kudos to Berg and all you other great tanks/posters who keep this thread updated.


I have a couple quick questions however as due to "delay" in updates or simply my own misconceptions have led me to rethink a couple rankings.

I know some gear is situationally better than other peieces that might have more tankpoints, so let me say - I am the MT for a guild that has just stepped into BT and Hyjal. In two weeks we have 3 bosses down in each, and are going to agressively persue doing more. Threat hasn't been an issue for me yet and I am focusing primarily on pure survivability for the most part.

My questions are:

Battleworn Tuskguard vs. T6 Helm?
Should I even roll on T6 helm, or can I let someone else have this, at least at first? T6 has more armor, but Tuskguard has more stamina, add to that, the fact T6 has shield block rating, which is at best, a poor warrior stat, it seems (to me) Tuskguard clearly is superior to the T6 helm. Am I like smoking crack here guys, and if I am - please tell me how dumb I am.
Battleworn Tuskguard
Onslaught Greathelm

Gauntlets of Enforcement vs. T6 Gloves
The T6 fairly obviously has greater avoidance with the dodge, but again, wastes ilvl on shield block rating. I'll take the expertise 8 days a week over the SBR. Marginal armor superiority on the T6 generally equalled or outmatched by greater stam on the Enforcement. Is this a classic, threat vs. avoidance set decision and I want both - or are the Gauntelets of Enforement fairly clearly superior to the T6?
Gauntlets of Enforcement
Onslaught Handguards


I want to reitterate I generally know what I'm talking about mostly from reading posts by you guys and I love each and every one of you :) My armory:The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gul&#37;27dan&n=Hateseed) Please note for EH I swap into Slikks' and Gyro-Balanced for the armor and stam sacrificing the hit I like to have on bosses.

mattdeeze
04-29-2008, 09:50 AM
GEMSand I assume this will stack with Shield Mastery multicatively for a total 43% bonus.

This should probably read "It will stack additively with Shield Mastery for a total of 40% bonus."

I'm NOT trying to pick apart an absolutely incredible gear list but that one line is a bit misleading.

Matt

Canadianpimp
04-29-2008, 01:04 PM
Battleworn Tuskguard vs. T6 Helm?
Should I even roll on T6 helm, or can I let someone else have this, at least at first? T6 has more armor, but Tuskguard has more stamina, add to that, the fact T6 has shield block rating, which is at best, a poor warrior stat, it seems (to me) Tuskguard clearly is superior to the T6 helm. Am I like smoking crack here guys, and if I am - please tell me how dumb I am.
Battleworn Tuskguard
Onslaught Greathelm
I am in agreement with you that Battlesworn Tuskguard is better, now apparent since 2.4. The arguments for picking up the T6 helm are for the set bonus and the meta gem. However, you can safely pass on it a few times if you want.

Gauntlets of Enforcement vs. T6 Gloves
The T6 fairly obviously has greater avoidance with the dodge, but again, wastes ilvl on shield block rating. I'll take the expertise 8 days a week over the SBR. Marginal armor superiority on the T6 generally equalled or outmatched by greater stam on the Enforcement. Is this a classic, threat vs. avoidance set decision and I want both - or are the Gauntelets of Enforement fairly clearly superior to the T6?
Gauntlets of Enforcement
Onslaught Handguards
Use the Onslaught Handguards for avoidance. Stick a 10 dodge gem in it and a EH enchant and you're good to go. Use the Gauntlets for threat sensitive fights and trash.

Warmonger
04-29-2008, 07:24 PM
Ok so we all agree that the t6 helm is damn weak. I currently have the t5, which i use for boss fights and the t4 which i use for threat on trash. I originally was going to just let t6 go because the end goal would be to get the t6 four piece bonus using other pieces and use the helm off illidan, but looking at the 4 piece bonus it is might strong and i would be unable to accomplish it with out the helm prior to illidan. So what you guys think? pick it up for the 4 piece bonus once applicable?

Zarkan
04-30-2008, 04:47 AM
Greeting to all, I would like to know if in terms of EH/tanking the new 2.4 Glyph of the Gladiator could be better than the Glyph of the Defender. Thank you very much.

Berginyon
04-30-2008, 06:51 AM
Sorry about the lack of updates, there are just a couple that need to go in. I haven't been able to raid since my daughter was born 3 months ago. Add on top of that a 21 month old son, and I don't get any free time :-)

Jotun: In the 2.3 commentary I put "I used a non-devastate dagger build through most of Kara, but the benefits and rage efficency of devastate now make that build hard to justify." I need to update the text I have in the weapons sections since it would be misleading. Since the devastate buffs, a devastate build will out-aggro any dagger/impale even for entry level, and devastate is too situationally useful for tanking (low rage, DPS dual wield in fury gear) to be without it.

T6 helm is really weak. I thought it was an itemization error and reported it to Blizzard but I didn't get a response. Based on the ilvl calculations, it just doesn't add up unless having a ridiculous amount of block rating costs alot more.

Zawdlyr
04-30-2008, 05:27 PM
quick question: with 15k+ health whats the best enchant now on chest? still 150 health or 15 defense?

Tribstenin
05-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Just wondering why you have the Boots of Elusion higher on the list than the Jungle Stompers.

DrPleaser
05-05-2008, 05:59 AM
Just wondering why you have the Boots of Elusion higher on the list than the Jungle Stompers.


IIRC because of the insane amount of dodge on them.

With the boots of elusion, you have better odds to completely AVOID taking damage.

But with the Stompers, you'll get hit more, but will absorb more damage.

Rampagingorc
05-24-2008, 06:19 PM
when i was looking to see how the ZA helm stacked up i was surprised to see it so low on the list...when i went looking for a reason why....i saw that your comment said it had no def on it....so my question is....is the helm really that low on the list?...or has it just not been updated since the 40 def was added to it in 2.4?

DrPleaser
05-25-2008, 11:02 AM
or has it just not been updated since the 40 def was added to it in 2.4?

This

I'm sure he'll update it soon enough

Cortjester
05-26-2008, 06:51 AM
Woot first post on here. I have been following along with this thread for some time and just had a real quick question.

I have been stacking EH for quite some time. I have 17k unbuffed hp. Another tank in my guild has around 16k but has quite a bit more avoidence then I do. We have both tanked the same mobs but the healers are complaining its harder for them to heal me. I know I get hit more often then he does but I dont get hit for as much as he does when he does get hit. Do you have any suggestions as to what I could do without totally regemming all my gear for avoidence?

Here is a link to our armorys incase that would help.
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&n=Cortjester)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&n=Norsemen)

Meatballs
05-27-2008, 03:51 PM
know I get hit more often then he does but I dont get hit for as much as he does when he does get hit.

Unless you have a lot more armour than him then he'll be hit the same.

You might not be keeping up shield block, thunderclap, demo shout as well as him?

Kazeyonoma
05-27-2008, 04:19 PM
don't "regem" for avoidance, get pieces of gear with avoidance strongpoints and swap them in and out for various fights. Some obvious ones are t4 gloves, moroes trinket, t4 shoulders, maiden's necklace, the sun eater.

Swap in variations of the above into your standard tanking set on fights where you might be taking too much damage for your EH to put you through, say prince or tidewalker.

annerajb
05-27-2008, 08:18 PM
13. [Red Belt of Battle]</span> (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30032) 21STA+ +0.9%hit TP:5511(4213 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30032) (crafted - BOP Blacksmith SSC)
* 2 gems

that item is BOE not BOP :) and nice quide been reading it also i had a small question what does the red colored items on your guide mean they have a special ranking or something?

Shortypop
05-28-2008, 12:39 AM
The gear with descriptions in red are those added in 2.4

annerajb
05-29-2008, 11:55 AM
17. [Mark V's Throwing Star]/[Alley's Recurve] 10STA TP:1004
The World of Warcraft Armory (Nagrand quest)

is a netherstorm quest not nagrand

annerajb
05-31-2008, 12:36 PM
this has been replaced with the pvp faction reputation rewards.

26. [High Warlord's Plate Chestpiece]</span> (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28851) 46STA+ TP:8115(6168 base)
The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=28851) (24300 Honor, 30 AB Marks)
* set bonuses, 3 gem slots

pompuspilot
06-02-2008, 11:43 AM
when i was looking to see how the ZA helm stacked up i was surprised to see it so low on the list...when i went looking for a reason why....i saw that your comment said it had no def on it....so my question is....is the helm really that low on the list?...or has it just not been updated since the 40 def was added to it in 2.4?

i vendored my za helm right before they fixed it, now i hav t6 so im not to concerned and will soon hav illidan's helm...anyways looking at the stats now i would take za helm over everything up to t6. i will keep using t6 helm for set bonus but i beleive za is better

Smallfrys
07-04-2008, 03:51 PM
Here's what I don't understand, and am hoping someone could answer for me: for example, The Sun Eater is #2 on the list of mitigation weapons, yet the description above it says you won't have much use for it if you get/once you get King's Defender, which is #6 (albeit, the instructions say within 300 TP it's about the same). Also, the #1 weapon is in Hyjal; I thought in general that T6/Sunwell Plateau is better than everything before it. Is this happening because Tank Points weighs mitigation higher than aggro, or for some other reason?

Also, given that so many of the fairly high-TP items come from Heroics/badge gear/entry level raids, how helpful is it to have Blacksmithing and/or Engineering? I've been told that you can only get good resistance gear by doing Armorsmithing, is that the case?

Thanks :)

TomHuxley
07-04-2008, 06:38 PM
Tank points doesn't measure agro at all. TP is just to help you evaluate the survivability of a piece, that is, it's stam, armor, and avoidance. It's also situational, in that a tank with 11k HP will get a lot more points from HP and armor than a better geared tank will (avoidance is supposed to be more important at the highest levels of content, and Sunwell seems to have born that out to some degree). That's why Berg posts his reference outfit he uses to generate these rankings (T4/Kara gear).

For your specific question, you could probably use the Sun Eater all the way through Sunwell as a mitigation weapon, but it's TPS is so low your raid wouldn't be able to do many encounters since DPS would be capped by your gimped threat level.

Smallfrys
07-05-2008, 07:16 PM
So it seems I should just follow the short descriptions at the top of each category rather than look at TP? Because the ratings based on TP seem misleading. Again, using weapons as an example: you start with #2 (The Sun Eater), then get #6 (King's Defender), then get #9 (Mallet of the Tides), then get either #1 (The Unbreakable Will) or #5 (The Brutalizer). I appreciate all the work the OP has put into this, but it's very confusing even after reading all the linked articles.

TomHuxley
07-05-2008, 08:25 PM
Not exactly. To let Berg's words speak for himslf (from the intro section):

"As I mention above, Tankpoints measures physical reduction/survivability ONLY. Don't treat this as the ultimate guide to tank gearing, just a quantitative analysis of one aspect of tanking. (Half the people that respond to this thread don't read that line :-) )"

You should absolutely pay attention to tank points, as survival is one of the most important parts of your job (dead tanks generate no agro). But you should realize that it is only one part of your job. All good tanks have multiple sets of gear; when I clear trash in Gruuls I have a lot of agro gear on and just barely stay uncritable (for example, I wear the S2 shoulders with +hit ems in them). On High King Mulgore you get such a head start that the Sun Eater is the best weapon you can use (agro isn't a problem) until you get to T6. On Gruul himself you need a lot of avoidance, armor, and HP, but you don't want to gimp your raid DPS, so a King's Defender or Mallet of the Tides is ideal.

TP does exactly what it claims to do, and this is an invaluble resource to how good a piece of gear is for survivability. It isn't always easy to know off hand how 18 dodge compares to and extra 35 HP and 100 armor, and TP tells you. But for each encounter you need to evaluate the roll of survivability vs agro, and change what you are wearing to suit.

Smallfrys
07-05-2008, 08:32 PM
Thanks for your replies :)

So is there a guide anywhere that suggests what stats you should be aiming for with each encounter (or perhaps even which pieces)?

Also, the previous question I had, should I do blacksmithing, as I've been told that I can only get some of the resistance items with BSing.

DrPleaser
07-06-2008, 10:50 AM
You don't NEED blacksmithing, as the Frost and Nature resist gear are all BOE and can be thus purchased. Just find out who can make them and either collect the mats yourself or just get it made for you.

I only use my nature resist set on only two occasions, hydross (who we never do anymore) and the 1st pull after killing Najentus (full of mini nature elementals, I have to lug my resist set for 1 freaking pull)


As for the fire resist set, I got it and sat on it for months before I used it to tank leotheras' demon form as a goof.

Cloak
07-07-2008, 09:06 AM
Berg, awesome guide, great analysis and discussion, especially at each tier of raiding - the latter is my favorite part, as it helps me so much with my alt tank, understanding what makes the most sense each step of my tanking career and why.

Been OT'ing Kara the last few weeks and picking up T4 gear, and one of the few blues I have left to upgrade is my helm slot.

I was looking over the 5 helm enchants you have and wanted to ask where you'd rank Glyph of the Gladiator - Item - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29193) among them.

From a survivability perspective, it's got a ton of stamina (+18 stam), despite the resilience being largely wasted. Still, it can make a good situational choice, right?

Smallfrys
07-07-2008, 11:13 AM
I appreciate your replies, guys. I may be asking more questions once I level my guy out and raid with him :)

DrPleaser
07-08-2008, 02:06 AM
Still, it can make a good situational choice, right?

Unless you're STARVING for stam, I'd say no.

There's only one boss (that I've seen) that needs you to be at max stam (Kael and his magical pyroblasts), everything else can be done with mix of mitigation and aggro gear.


If you need stam, get the presence of might from ZG, if not just get the COT one.

Kennetco
07-14-2008, 08:15 AM
When will this be updated again?

Kazeyonoma
07-14-2008, 08:54 AM
uhh, I haven't heard from Berg in a while, but what do you need to update it with? 2.4 was the last patch that we saw any significant gear changes, aside from Season 4.

Berginyon
07-25-2008, 08:44 AM
I'm in semi-retirement from the game and haven't had an active wow account for a few months. My family requires the raid timeslot.

If one of the other veterans wants to take over this thread, I'm ready to pass the torch.

Kazeyonoma
07-25-2008, 09:17 AM
Quite the daunting task, let me know if anyone PMs you that they wanna take it over.

Kennetco
07-29-2008, 03:42 PM
There are several reasons for an update... the Sunwell gear information was not widely known at the time of the last update... items get nerfed from one patch to the next... who knows what has been nerfed or not... tankingtips.com indicated that at least one item has dropped off of his top 10 pre-Kara list... and lastly, its all OBE anyways unless someone is willing to takeover Berg's work... is he willing to pass his knowledge on before total retirement or just drop this unbelievably complex and beautiful set of analysis on someone's doorstep... I could pick it up but then, I'm no Ciderhelm or Veneretio and have yet to down Illidan... not hardly good credentials.. if u get my gist...

Daimon
07-30-2008, 08:33 AM
but is not that much to be updated right? last time I read it there was some 2.4 references there, I don't think is much work to do.

Kazeyonoma
07-30-2008, 09:18 AM
As far as I know, no changes to the items were made from 2.4 release to now. If there are any please inform me and I'll try to make whatever changes I can to bergs list in the meantime.

pompuspilot
07-31-2008, 12:24 PM
couple questions i hope you can answer...the swiftsteel blugeon is listed right below the sword off kalecgos but it does not have a tp listed? any idea what it is, i just picked this weapon up last nite for shits and was wandering if its worth enchanting.

also you have the kalecgos sword listed lower then the ax off supremus. im tryin to figure out if this is a typo or what? obviously the faster, higher dps, more expertise weapon is better.

Kazeyonoma
07-31-2008, 04:47 PM
Tankpoints doesn't take into account haste or expertise into its equations, the reason why the Brutalizer would be higher itemized by tank points is the fact that it has +defense rating.

pompuspilot
07-31-2008, 11:02 PM
right i understand that, but since there is a threat and mitigation section for weapons i figured its gota be figured in..i guess not ha

Burberry
08-27-2008, 12:08 PM
The Borderland Fortress Grips drop off Felmyst, not the trash mobs.

catch22atplay
09-05-2008, 06:21 AM
The only item i can see that needed updating was the Helm Battleworn Tuskguard. It was changed from 40 block rating to 40 defense and is still ranked as per pre change. It should be ranked above the T-5 helm now. Although it barely beats the T-5 it's quite a bit above the T-6 helm. So it's shifted positions by quite a bit. I know there's a couple other items as well. But i can't recall what they were.

Kennetco
09-09-2008, 06:39 AM
Just got the paragraph below from WoWInsider.... will this be the official passing of the torch from Bergs to the new folks with regards to this gear list rating?


In a surprise move that's incredibly welcome (well, in my eyes) Blizzard has gone back and changed Paladin and Warrior tanking tier 4 to 6 gear as well as non set plate drops, shield and badge gear to take advantage of the new mechanics. As I primarily am a tank (and expect to remain so) I went online to check out how my tanking gear will change when patch 3.0 drops. A gallery of some select pieces and how they're changing when patch 3.0 goes live has been provided for all your browsing needs. I have to say that for the most part the changes are very welcome, they maintain old block value for threat while adding the strength we'll need for increased AP to scale our new threat abilities like Shockwave.

Kazeyonoma
09-09-2008, 10:33 AM
Berg has retired from updating this thread, and a new thread has already begun by another. check it out =]

Edgar
09-17-2008, 08:24 AM
Is it just me or does everybody's firefox run at 100% CPU usage when being at page 1 of this?

It lags horribly for me.

annerajb
09-18-2008, 10:29 AM
expectable especially if you are using a old version of firefox. for the amount of javascript on the page.

Kennetco
09-22-2008, 07:43 AM
Where is the new thread?

Kazeyonoma
09-22-2008, 09:55 AM
The new one is called WOTLK Gear List I believe, by demog.

Kazeyonoma
09-29-2008, 09:08 AM
I've fixed this thread's links that were broken by the forum update. Enjoy! ;]

Ciderhelm
10-10-2008, 04:28 PM
The first page has mysteriously stopped working for me. Anyone confirm?

Theomach
10-10-2008, 08:42 PM
It's working fine for me - all item links go to Wowhead, and the links in the first post to the different sections go right to that section when you click them.

Kesos
11-11-2008, 03:36 PM
The 1 reason I wanted to register is so I could confirm that "Berg's Tank Gear Rankings" have indeed stopped working. I use this page VERY frequently. pretty much every day, and would love for it to be up and working again. On the first page, Instead of hovering over a name and you get the item to show, it has the brackets showing and .

Also, I see he's taking a break from the game. I looked around for an email or something to contact him, but couldn't find one. I was kinda hoping to talk to him and see if there was a way i could coax him to coming back for WOTLK and do a follow up. If necessary, possibly with some monetary reinforcement.